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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
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You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
You're not making a compelling argument for your case. That's a mere conclusion.


That wasn't an attempt at a compelling argument. That was a statement of fact.
It was a conclusion unsupported by evidence or argument.


It was a conclusion supported by your own statement.

You said Freemasons worship Satan.

You are wrong.

You either make that statement out of ignorance, or you are a liar.

I gave you the benefit of the doubt.


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Originally Posted by CrimsonTide
It was a conclusion supported by your own statement.

You said Freemasons worship Satan.

You are wrong.

You either make that statement out of ignorance, or you are a liar.

I gave you the benefit of the doubt.
I make the statement from factual evidence, to include a historical condemnation of it by organized Christianity.

Who is The Great Architect of the Universe???

PS I'm open to the possibility that you might be ignorant of the foundations of an organization of which you are a member.

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Where the phuc is Dan Brown when we need him? wink


It ain't what you don't know that makes you an idiot...it's what you know for certain, that just ain't so...

Most people don't want to believe the truth~they want the truth to be what they believe.

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Exactly. Every time someone says something about women Miss Lynn is right there to say 'Not all', which we in fact all know that already.

I don't dislike Tom because he's a 'Christian' or Kamo because he's Asian, I dislike them because they are [bleep]. Don't mean all Christians and Asians are [bleep].


When was Kamo an A-hole? And I think it is safe to say some here would talk about black pots and kettles, Steel. wink


Sure is irony in this post. laugh


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I am a member. I have been a member for a dozen years. During that time I have never seen, heard or experienced any indication that there was worship of any kind taking place. It is a fraternity. Nothing more, nothing less.

As a result, I am neither concerned with, nor intrigued by, your "factual evidence".

Other objects of "historical condemnations" by organized Christianity include the tomato and the crossbow.



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Originally Posted by CrimsonTide
I am a member. I have been a member for a dozen years. During that time I have never seen, heard or experienced any indication that there was worship of any kind taking place. It is a fraternity. Nothing more, nothing less.

As a result, I am neither concerned with, nor intrigued by, your "factual evidence".

Other objects of "historical condemnations" by organized Christianity include the tomato and the crossbow.

Who is The Great Architect of the Universe? Has his true name been revealed to you yet, or do you need to rise more levels first?

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HERE is a link on a controversial report on Masons and the Southern Baptist Convention.

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Freemasons are DEEPLY involved with "International Banking"

.....and ABHOR backyard Laying Hen ops.

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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by CrimsonTide
I am a member. I have been a member for a dozen years. During that time I have never seen, heard or experienced any indication that there was worship of any kind taking place. It is a fraternity. Nothing more, nothing less.

As a result, I am neither concerned with, nor intrigued by, your "factual evidence".

Other objects of "historical condemnations" by organized Christianity include the tomato and the crossbow.

Who is The Great Architect of the Universe? Has his true name been revealed to you yet, or do you need to rise more levels first?



I learned his name long before I was made a Mason. There is one Creator. One God. One Great Architect of the Universe. He is the Alpha and Omega.


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I will not be part of any organization ...that would have me.

Groucho Marx said something along the lines of "I don't care to belong to any club....that will have me as a member."

Funny stuff...!


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Some of the most honorable men I've ever known were Masons. Many also seemed to be devoutly religious other less so. I'm guessing if there was a conflict between their beliefs and Masonic service they wouldn't be there.

I can't tell you how many times I've had to suppress the urge to laugh at or bitch-slap those so-called Christian conspiracy theorists that consider Freemasonry demonic..........Of course most of them spew the same garbage about Mormons too.


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It is parts of the bible that it is build up on. I am a member of the blue lodge for around 50 years. If you want to become a member jest ask a member. They should take it from there. YES we do good things we have some spline hospital burn and other like kids that need help with other things! WE do NOT have any thing to do with Satan it is all about GOD and his life.


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Originally Posted by CrimsonTide
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Who is The Great Architect of the Universe? Has his true name been revealed to you yet, or do you need to rise more levels first?
I learned his name long before I was made a Mason. There is one Creator. One God. One Great Architect of the Universe. He is the Alpha and Omega.
That's not who they're talking about. They're referring to the sun god of the Assyrians, a "god" the Bible refers to as a devil. Keep rising, and they'll let you in on that secret.

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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
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Does Masonry conflict with Christianity in any way.?
Well, since they worship Satan, I'd say so, yes.

There's a lodge just few blocks from my home, and I pass it on my daily walks.



To paraphrase Ronald Reagan�
It isn�t so much that some are so ignorant. It�s just that they know so many things that aren�t so�

I had to wade though a lot of really stupid stuff to get to what the Masons really believe and in their own words:
www.masonicinfo.com/gaotu.htm‎
GAOTU
Those who oppose Freemasonry will claim that Masons worship a 'false God' whom they claim is GAOTU - the "Grand Architect of the Universe" (in some jurisdictions referred to as the "Great Architect of the Universe").
Nothing could be further from the truth!

Let us be quite clear: Freemasonry does NOT have a "god" of any kind. Freemasons however do profess a belief in a Supreme Being.

Perhaps we should repeat:
The organization - FREEMASONRY - has no "god", no religion, no theology, no dogma, no creed....
Freemasonry's members - FREEMASONS - upon petitioning for membership are required to profess a belief in a Supreme Being. They are not required or requested to elaborate any further on their beliefs except to make a positive affirmation that they have such a belief.

The term "Great Architect of the Universe" (or "Grand Architect of the Universe") is used to permit a more generic worship to the Supreme Being of all present. All Masons understand this concept and when prayers are offered in their lodge, they understand that regardless of the person speaking the words or the manner of prayer of others present, the prayer is addressed to their Supreme Being.

To argue that Masons have a 'god' with the name GAOTU would be similar to arguing that a church where a prayer is addressed to "Most Holy and Glorious Lord God" had a false God with the name MHAGLG or when a prayer is offered in the name of 'Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ' that those worshipping there were praying to OLSJC.... It's bizarre in the extreme.

The question is often raised: to whom do Masons pray?
The answer is, quite simply, "To God".
Argumentatively, some will then respond, "Which God?" at which point we must wonder how many Gods THEY believe there are. From the perspective of Masons, there is one Supreme Being and that is to whom we pray.


It really is SO simple....


The term first appeared in Masonic usage in 1723 in a book called Anderson's Constitutions which was, ostensibly, a listing of the rules by which the Grand Lodge of England were governed. It seems that the phrase was probably taken from John Calvin whose teachings formed the basis for Presbyterian and Reformed theology as Anderson was a Presbyterian Minister.



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Originally Posted by BenMichel
It is parts of the bible that it is build up on. I am a member of the blue lodge for around 50 years. If you want to become a member jest ask a member. They should take it from there. YES we do good things we have some spline hospital burn and other like kids that need help with other things! WE do NOT have any thing to do with Satan it is all about GOD and his life.


Thank you Ben for being brave enough to make your first comment on this thread. We appreciate input from folks who have real world experience. Welcome to the Fire. kwg


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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by Deerwhacker444
Does Masonry conflict with Christianity in any way.?
Well, since they worship Satan, I'd say so, yes.

From Wikipedia..."Shriners Hospitals for Children is a network of 22 non-profit hospitals across North America. Children with orthopedic conditions, burns, spinal cord injuries, and cleft lip and palate are eligible for care and receive all services in a family-centered environment, regardless of the patients� ability to pay."

They sure do a lot of good work to be so bad...!


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Does Masonry conflict with Christianity in any way.?
Well, since they worship Satan, I'd say so, yes.

From Wikipedia..."Shriners Hospitals for Children is a network of 22 non-profit hospitals across North America. Children with orthopedic conditions, burns, spinal cord injuries, and cleft lip and palate are eligible for care and receive all services in a family-centered environment, regardless of the patients� ability to pay."

They sure do a lot of good work to be so bad...!
Why do you need to participate in the occult to do good works? Can't you find Christian organizations that do good works?

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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
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Who is The Great Architect of the Universe? Has his true name been revealed to you yet, or do you need to rise more levels first?
I learned his name long before I was made a Mason. There is one Creator. One God. One Great Architect of the Universe. He is the Alpha and Omega.
That's not who they're talking about. They're referring to the sun god of the Assyrians, a "god" the Bible refers to as a devil. Keep rising, and they'll let you in on that secret.



How far did you have to go before they let you in on that? I am only a 32 degree.


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Originally Posted by BOWSINGER
Let us be quite clear: Freemasonry does NOT have a "god" of any kind. Freemasons however do profess a belief in a Supreme Being.


Kinda like the Boy Scouts??


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