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Originally Posted by birddog65
Please watch the you-tube video Mr. Stuart.
I'm watching it now. Excellent, so far. Thanks.


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Freemasonry is the largest and oldest fraternity in the world. No one knows for certain where it originated but is believed to go at least as far back as the construction of King Solomon's Temple. It is thought to be at first a guild for workers skilled in stone masonry, traveling with Roman armies over the world. Later they were involved in constructing europes most beautiful cathedrals and elaborate stone edifices.

They are thought to be connected to the Knights Templars who were arrested, tortured and executed by the King of France in colusion with the pope to confiscate a large portion of their wealth. This was the same time frame that the pope issued a series of papal bulls against the Knights Templars and later Freemasons, making false accusations of heresy and blasphymy.

For many years if a catholic joined freemasony they would be excommunicated. Now most catholic churches have retracted that position. I know two men who are good masons and catholics in good standing with their church.

Masonry is not a religion although belief in a supreme being and immortality of the soul is required. We are encouraged to seek God but through no particular creed or theology.

Having been involved in Freemasonry for some years I can assure you The Grand Architect of the Universe refers to God.

I am a Master Mason, a 32 degree Sottish Rite Mason and a Shriner. I have served many offices in Blue Lodge including Past Master and District Deputy Grand Master. I can assure you there are no conspiricies, subterfuge or any kind of anti social or un godly ideas being promoted in Freemasonry. We are admonished to walk uprightly in our many stations before God and man. To promote harmony and compassion toward all mankind. We are encouraged to contribute towards the good of society and education.

I'm a born again Christain. Jesus Christ is my Lord and savior, no one else. I attend my church regularly. One of our deacons is a freemason. One lodge I attend has three past masters who are ordained baptist ministers. The Holy Bible rests upon every lodge alter. I can see no conflict between being a mason and seeking God.

George Washington and 19 of his generals were freemasons. Paul Revere, Ben Franklin. Heros of the Alamo, Davy Crockett, Jim Bowie, Stephen F. Austin, William B. Travis and Juan Seguin. At San Jacinto, Sam Houston. Harry Truman was a Grand Master. John Wayne. Buzz Aldrin.

In every lodge I have visited, members were active in and contributed to their community and were men of good character. My lodge has 4 Sheriff Deputies, 3 captains and a sergeant. It's first master was chief of police. The sheriff in the county which I live is a master mason. Sheriff of next county over is a master mason and a shriner. The master of my lodge this year is a vietnam vet, flew rescue helicopter missions, he is now a practicing attorney. One of our newer members just finished a career with the army in special forces. Another member is the county treasurer. Several firemen, several business owners.

To apply for membership you must ask. We can not ask you. When someone petitions a lodge for membership he must be recomended by other masons. Then he is investigated carefully to see what kind of person he is in the community. He can not be a convicted felon or convicted of any crimes of moral turpitude. If a mason does not uphold his commitment to good moral and social conduct he can be expelled.

Sadly there are people who have been denied membership or have been expelled or can not conform to our usages who will make it their cause to slander freemasonry to anyone who will listen.




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Originally Posted by Jcubed
Hey J if I come down there with kamo can we get Aussie drunk?!


You are not allowed down here with Kamo unless you bring his wife and her entire kitchen...at which point I will pay for your grog. smile


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So we all meet in New England?

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There is that catholic church again...killing and stealing from those with goods it coverts.

One has to ask ones self why the Nazi's did not destroy the catholic church and burn it to the ground...a deal maybe?


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Originally Posted by Jcubed
So we all meet in New England?


Riverina.


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I got deeply involved with this research because of Pope Francis
(whom I dislike very much) being a Jesuit. He is also the "black Pope" Marxist , Socialist leader of my church.I don't like what he (and my church have been promoting as of late) so I stumbled upon all these things by proxy .


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Originally Posted by birddog65
I got deeply involved with this research because of Pope Francis
(whom I dislike very much) being a Jesuit. He is also the "black Pope" Marxist , Socialist leader of my church.I don't like what he (and my church have been promoting as of late) so I stumbled upon all these things by proxy .


So you are a God botherer with an axe to grind, no shock there.

News for you mate, most of us don't give toss about what any church says, it is your hobby horse not mine.


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Originally Posted by birddog65
How do you manage to go there? Not looking down on anyone? WOW I can hardly believe this? This professor explains everything that Albert Pike writes in his own book on Free Masons . Fully explains that they admit to misleading you until you reach a certain level . Are you all going to cal TF49 a liar??? He has shared his own experiences with us (thank you)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Q18iSz6mus


Wow, so you are a young earth creationist???


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Liberal father: " I fought the Americans, along with all the other liberals."

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Arrogant? you are wacked.


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Originally Posted by fish head
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Does Masonry conflict with Christianity in any way.?
Well, since they worship Satan, I'd say so, yes.

There's a lodge just few blocks from my home, and I pass it on my daily walks.


I knew some kook here would come along and start throwing out BS.

It offends me to no end to hear somebody accuse Masons of worshiping Satan because that implies that my father was a devil worshiper.

If you were standing in front of me right now you wouldn't have any front teeth. You wouldn't be standing either.

I'm dead [bleep] serious.


Good man. Not a bit to do about the Mason aspect. The standing up for your father in a non-negotiable, serious way, and making no bones about it. Solid and bravo, sir.


My Scottish grandfather was one and I remember him making us stop one time in downtown Boston so he could go into the Grand Lodge, though I am ignorant --and happily so-- of anything they do.

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Originally Posted by birddog65
Arrogant? you are wacked.


There you go again, arrogantly putting your morality and beliefs on to me, and considering that I am not a Mason nor am I ever likely to be a Mason your condescension and arrogance in this matter is pointless to the extreme.


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creationist ---yes. young earth timeline----NO
Theistic evolution is what I believe. a bit off topic.


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Originally Posted by ltppowell
I heard they hide in closets nekkid and jump out and scare each other.


Hee hee!

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Originally Posted by birddog65
creationist ---yes. young earth timeline----NO
Theistic evolution is what I believe. a bit off topic.


Check out the people behind the video you posted.
Serious young earth creationist and deniers of science.
You may wish to consider what this says about their credibility.


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This thread has been highly entertaining if nothing else.


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Originally Posted by Craftsman
My lodge has 4 Sheriff Deputies, 3 captains and a sergeant. It's first master was chief of police. The sheriff in the county which I live is a master mason. Sheriff of next county over is a master mason and a shriner.


Uh oh. Perhaps this Satan connection does have some merit...


















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Originally Posted by Mink
This thread has been highly entertaining if nothing else.


It has kept me going through a long miserable night.


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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
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You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
You're not making a compelling argument for your case. That's a mere conclusion.


Many here have met CT and would take his "conclusion" as gospel.


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