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I have it on very good authority that the Free Masons are one big honkin' conspiracy!!
Cat
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZI_aEalijE

In skimming over these threads I just learned an occultist is a Satan worshiper. Things I didn't know and I'm a Pagan.

"That which we must say to a crowd is�We worship a God, but it is the God that one adores without superstition. To you, Sovereign Grand Inspectors General, we say this, that you may repeat it to the Brethren of the 32nd, 31st, and 30th degrees�The Masonic Religion should be, by all of us initiates of the high degrees, maintained in the purity of the Luciferian Doctrine. If Lucifer were not God, would Adonay [one of the names by which the Jews referred to God in the Bible] whose deeds prove his cruelty, perdify and hatred of man, barbarism and repulsion for science, would Adonay and his priests, calumniate him? Yes, Lucifer is God, and unfortunately Adonay is also god. For the eternal law is that there is no light without shade, no beauty without ugliness, no white without black, for the absolute can only exist as two gods: darkness being necessary to the statue, and the brake to the locomotive. Thus, the doctrine of Satanism is a heresy; and the true and pure philosophical religion is the belief in Lucifer, the equal of Adonay; but Lucifer, God of Light and God of Good, is struggling for humanity against Adonay, the God of Darkness and Evil."

- Albert Pike, 33rd-degree Freemason and author of Morals and Dogma

This is the teaching of the Bible, Derby. The worship of any god other than the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, i.e., the Triune God of the Bible, Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, is to worship devils.

Maybe for Christians but not for the rest of us.

Doesn't make it any less true!

Mike

LOL

You obviously do not understand this quote, but let me tell you your interpretation is wrong.
Cat

You have no idea what you are talking about. Pure Religious Bigotry.

There is nothing in any Masonic literature that supports your insulting claim that Freemasonry is in anyway incompatible with Christ�s message or that Masons at any level are stupid enough to not know they have become an occultist instead of a Christian.

They don�t raise to a higher level then Albert Pike and the falsehood that he was into Satanic worship has already been posted.

What you have to believe to be a Mason has been posted. You do not have to be a Christian or a Jew or whatever and religious bigots cannot stand that idea.

Other than Catholics, what other organized Christianity has condemned Masons that may well be members of their church?

"The faithful who enroll in Masonic associations are in a state of grave sin and may not receive Holy Communion.... Consequently, neither the excommunication nor the other penalties envisaged have been abrogated." -Cardinal Ratzinger, Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, November 26, 1983

"What is more absurd and more impious than to attribute the name of Lucifer to the devil, that is, to personified evil. The intellectual Lucifer is the spirit of intelligence and love; it is the paraclete [an advocate]; it is the Holy Spirit, where the physical Lucifer is the great angel of universal magnetism."

- Albert Pike, 33nd-degree Freemason and author of Morals and Dogma

To those versed in the brethren you will already know this

33 levels of Mason ? No

Just 3

I am of the York others might be of the Scott.......but

Someone already posted where Baptists determined it was incompatible with Christianity.

I find it interesting that non masons are forever telling masons about their goings on however wrong they ( cowans and intruders) are telling it.

Cat

Probably because Catholicism is not so much a denomination of Christianity as a business.

I find your reply fascinating.

OK, for those with reading comp problems�I will post again�
www.masonicinfo.com/gaotu.htm‎
GAOTU
Those who oppose Freemasonry will claim that Masons worship a 'false God' whom they claim is GAOTU - the "Grand Architect of the Universe" (in some jurisdictions referred to as the "Great Architect of the Universe").

Nothing could be further from the truth!

Let us be quite clear: Freemasonry does NOT have a "god" of any kind. Freemasons however do profess a belief in a Supreme Being.
Perhaps we should repeat:
The organization - FREEMASONRY - has no "god", no religion, no theology, no dogma, no creed....
Freemasonry's members - FREEMASONS - upon petitioning for membership are required to profess a belief in a Supreme Being. They are not required or requested to elaborate any further on their beliefs except to make a positive affirmation that they have such a belief.
The term "Great Architect of the Universe" (or "Grand Architect of the Universe") is used to permit a more generic worship to the Supreme Being of all present. All Masons understand this concept and when prayers are offered in their lodge, they understand that regardless of the person speaking the words or the manner of prayer of others present, the prayer is addressed to their Supreme Being.
To argue that Masons have a 'god' with the name GAOTU would be similar to arguing that a church where a prayer is addressed to "Most Holy and Glorious Lord God" had a false God with the name MHAGLG or when a prayer is offered in the name of 'Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ' that those worshipping there were praying to OLSJC.... It's bizarre in the extreme.

The question is often raised: to whom do Masons pray?
The answer is, quite simply, "To God".
Argumentatively, some will then respond, "Which God?" at which point we must wonder how many Gods THEY believe there are. From the perspective of Masons, there is one Supreme Being and that is to whom we pray.
It really is SO simple....



albertpike.wordpress.com/albert-pike-lucifer/‎
��The answer came through the Catholic Encyclopedia on-line, which I assume to be the ultimate source on the topic. It says that the word �lucifer� was often used to mean Venus � the star that shines in the morning. It is used a few times in Vulgate to indicate �the light of the morning� (Job 11:17), �the signs of the zodiac� (Job 38:32), �the aurora� (Psalm 109:3), and even Jesus Christ himself (2 Peter 1:19; Apocalypse 22:16 ).

The only reason why we use it as a devil�s name is an allegoric story retold in Isaiah 14:12 about one of the Babylonian kings falling from his throne as the morning star is falling from the sky. This passage was used by some interpretators as a Biblical proof of the popular legend of a fallen angel, which originated from other sources. St. Jerome, who translated the Bible from Hebrew and Greek into Latin, apparently used the word �lucifer� just as another word for �star� or �light� in a number of completely unrelated places. St. Jerome had no idea that one of these passages would give rise to another name of the Devil! The story of a fallen angel is sitting so deeply in our minds, that most of us do not realize that the Biblical evidence to support it is so shaky.

�So the answer to Pike�s question is simple: the name �Lucifer� = �Light Bearer� is a result of misunderstanding, of misinterpretation mixed with somewhat unimaginative translation. I wonder if he would pose this question at all if he knew the modern answer. As a by-product of my little research I came to an interesting conclusion: the story of a fallen angel with a strange name, made so famous through a number of well-known artistic and poetic masterpieces, is based on misunderstanding! There is no direct Biblical evidence to support this story � the only passage on which it was based was originally meant to indicate something else.�

There, a quote of the Nazi Pope. Ironic now ain't it?

You folks have tremendous love and loyalty for "the craft," don't you? I can see that.

Another group that think they are the only ones in Heaven.

I had an elderly friend who was a Mason. (He is gone now - best 500 partner you could ever find.) Three stories involving him. He was a Lutheran - got a new pastor in who told him that he could not be both a Mason and a Lutheran. The Shrine-sponsored North-South All-Star football game was held in Cedar Rapids one year. My son and I took our friend along to the game. During an on-field ceremony, some Potentates were wearing fancy fezzes. A bit later, a couple of Shriners with ordinary fezzes strolled by and our friend explained that "Them's just plain Tates." His wife taught for the DOD in Germany, so they lived over there for a few years. One day another Mason, who was traveling in Germany from the U.S., noticed our friend's ring or something, and said (apparently a greeting between Masons), "Have you traveled far?" Missing his cue, our friend replied, "Naw, we live over here."