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I voted Conservative this year. I thought that Canada's new Prime Minister would stand tall and protect Canadian interests around the globe. I voted for him in spite of warnings that he'd sell out Canadian interests to the USA. Now, I see, sadly - that is exactly what he's done.

He lets the USA keep 1 BILLION dollars in illegally gathered trade sanctions (illegal according to EVERY bi-partisan NAAFTA panel that has looked at it) and in spite of EVERY single appeal ruling in Canada's favour though the years. Haper's logic? Well, we are told - we'll get four billion dollars of the illegally taken monies back again! Wow! We only give up ONE BILLION to the country that broke the signed NAAFTA trade agreement! Gee whiz that's pretty great isn't it? NOT!

Every single time Canada appealed the US tariffs to the Noth American Free Trade Agreement court - we won. In every appeal that we filed to the World Trade Organization - we won. With both international trade bodies dispute settlement mechanisims ruling agains the US - they did exactly as you'd expect them to do when they don't like the decision. They refused to abide by the rulings - because they didn't agree with them. Even though, they agreed ahead of time, to the dispute mechanism - and to abide by it's rulings when they signed the GATT and NAFFTA agreements.

Oh, one more thing - Canada will AGREE (of all things!) to limit our sales to the American market to 34% - at the behest of the American lumber lobby. Wow! Isn't that great - that's why they call it FREE TRADE - it's free alright - as long as you don't get too much market penetration!

WWII should have taught us that when you try to appease rulers that flaunt international agreements - all you ever do is embolden them to break even more agreements. Will we never learn?

This is a black day for Canada, folks. Harper sold us out to American business interests - just like his critics warned us he'd do all along.

I'm ashamed now to say I voted for the man.

It is just the beginning, wait until he starts to sell off our water....

I voted for Harper, largely due to my hatred of the Lieberals and the NDP AND for the gun issue; I suspected that he would sell us out to the Yankees on resource issues and he has done so. I also think that he will renege on the gun issue as he is a slimey, little asskisser of a sniveling puke.

Face it, BCB, we NEED a REAL Canadian patriotic revolution and a return to our Nordic roots. We need a total re-vamp of our political system, re-patriation of many of the post-WWII immigrants and a "Canada First" attitude in all aspects of our lives.

I favour forcing a political block to the 52" pipeline for Alaskan gas to Chicago; why should we disrupt OUR landscape for the Yanks? While we are at it, let's end American hunting, fishing and other uses of OUR wilderness!

I have been warning about the water for the three years I have been on this type of forum; in fact, I was banned from one due to my patriotic comments. Let's hope enough Canucks WAKE UP NOW!

Go get 'em, BCB, it's time to fight back! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Brian,
Does this affect you or your family's welfare?
Do you have a personal interest in this?
Or are you just complaining about something that you read in the paper?
Bart

Don't worry BCB, our government will squander that billion so fast noone will even remember it..........and we won't have much to say about it either. You wouldn't have seen any more of that money than pink elephants even if your government did get it.

P.S. Keep your darn timber, we are drowning in the stuff down here already.

You have my TOTAL support on that one! It should come down the railbelt and terminate in Kenai. Agrium (even though that's a Canadian company <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />) needs it, the LNG plant can use it as well as homes and businesses in southcentral.

HEY, I just figured out where the $100 gas tax refund is coming from..............cool, thanks BCB.

As a jesture of appreciation I would like to spend that $100 back into the Canadian economy by buying a firearm from one of you boys, er, that's right, you can't send them down here, oh well.

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Maybe this would be the inspiration to repel the Jones Act, at least for ships with logs and lumber coming from Alaska... We'd keep Big Stick whacking trees for a long time if that blamed Act would go away.

That's got nothing but good for our Canuck neighbors, by the way. Least I think...???

I'm in the commodity wood business and would love to see Canada stop shipping any and all wood down here. 5 more OSB mills will be opening in the SE part of the states next year, with that extra production we don't need Canadian wood. Keep it to yourself, please. You don't like the way business is done, stop sending it across our border. Canadians have pissed in the commodity pot long enough and have ruined the market with their cheap wood.

It is interesting that the WTO ruled in favor of the USA on this matter.


Wetbacks with cheap labor coming from the south and Canooks with cheap wood from the north. You can both stay the heck out of my country.


We'll take your oil though... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/help.gif" alt="" />

I have no problem with that philosophy, we can survive an end to American's buying Canadian lumber, etc. and I am totally opposed to the current raw log exports from B.C. to WA. state mills. I have not set foot across the border since '98 or '99 and am not likely to ever do so again.

The oil, gas and electricity exports can be eliminated by using our cheap hydropower to give Canadian industry a competitive edge over U.S. industry in the international market, I strongly favour this. If, the U.S. "Eastern Seaboard" and/or California suffers from "brownouts", too bad, it's business.

Now, since the Chinese and Indians are VERY interested in buying Canadian petro resources as well as forest products, we can simply expand our exports to them. We HAVE the resources and we can sell them as we see fit.

Given the huge increase in Chinese, Indian and European tourism, most of which is non-consumptive and not a drain on our rare wildlife, such as Stone's Sheep, I see no benefit in allowing Americans to hunt, fish, wilderness ski or climb in Canada.....yup, I have zero problems with staying out of your country as I have so much more here in mine!

kutenay;
You guys do have a nice place up there, why do you have to be so awnry ? You must know I was just ribbing Ol' BCB about his government being just as out of touch as ours, it seems good common sense is waning evertwhere...........

Mike
That's right, let's give Agrium all the gas at really cheap rates so when they use it all up making fertilizer we do not need we will get to see our natural gas bills skyrocket. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

I believe a gas-fired generator in Prudhoe will be shipping juice South before we ever see a gas pipeline. Just the scrubbing is going to be pricey as the gas is getting dirtier by the minute and the engineers were largely ignored when they warned of souring the gas. Last numbers I heard included CO2 at over 12%... not many BTUs in 1/8 of the gas...
art

Ever heard of 54 40 or fight. B.C. is US territory anyway. B.C. is the only place worth a crap up there. Shove NAFTA where the sun don't shine.

I don't savvy the fighting between regular folks on whichever side of the US/Canada border......it's the meathead polititions on BOTH sides of the border that all of us regular folk have the most to loose to.

typical whiny canadian silliness. Canada has been dumping subsidized lumber on the American market for years. This settlement is short of what it should do though. Canada should pay damages to the US for its third world business practices.

Then why is a sheet of plywood so expensive? $14.00 or around that for 1/2 osb 4by8 sheet. It's been a while since I bought any partly because of the price. It's expensive to me anyway. kwg

Well, I think that things will get worse, much, much worse, where Canada-US relations are concerned, especially in trade issues. I live in the "riding" of the Trade and Industry Minister who signed off on this deal and he is NOT popular here.

While most Canadians are, generally speaking, not anti-American, the attitudes of some posters here, i.e., ...54-40 or fight...are familiar to us and tend to antagonize more and more people here. This, in turn, gives an impetus to the leftist people in Canadian politics/media who ARE and will remain anti-American; it also motivates nationalists to demand an end to the NAFTA farce.

In the long view, this situation is/will be good for Canada as it will tend to substantially lower our current levels of trade/involvment with the USA and will increase our trade in both resources and commodities with other nations, such as China and India. Certainly, there will be a difficult period of adjustment, however, that is already in progress and is working out fairly well.

My first reaction to this "deal" is to begin to lobby for the elimination of American hunting and fishing in Canada, especially B.C. as it really is of no economic benefit to us. My second is to lobby for the imposition of a very substantial export tax on ANY amount of oil, gas and electricity sold to the US.

Then, we declare the Columbia River Treaty null and void as well as institute a border tax on American goods shipped into Canada. We demand that Canadians wishing to travel, for any reason, in the USA have current passports to re-enter Canada and we also put a toll for Americans on the Alcan Highway and the Stewart-Cassiar Highway.

The export of raw timber, in any form, is halted and never re-instated while any agricultural exports to the US are taxed and US agricultural imports are banned. Yup, times would be tough, but, we could, would and should do these things and survive....it's business.

While we are at it, I favour a withdrawal from Norad, bringing home ALL Canadian military personnel except those that may be stationed/working in the U.K., Australia and New Zealand. There is little point in Canadians being active in the fight against those Islamists who threaten the USA, 'cause the Yanks are so tough and big and all that bullschitt that they can do it all themselves.....like they did in Vietnam.

Yup, there's a lot we can do and I kinda think much of this will happen, as the government that sold us out to the USA will NOT be in power long.

I wonder if this means Canadians will start boycotting Florida and Disney World.

We've become kind of used to having these friendly folks down here, regularly and often.

- TJM

Kuty, you are one feisty little guy! Only one problem with your latest rant. The turban heads you brought into your country will rule it before most of your rant ever comes to past here. Sorry for you mate, I really am. You have a great country that's going to the toilet.

In regards to Florida and Disney World, I know what you mean. I took my family down there a few years back and to our surprise we could not communicate with many people.
They all spoke French!