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Wow! I was kinda' busy today and it didn't even cross my mind, why traffic was light this afternoon on I 45.

50 years????!?!?! Come to Houston, it already looks like a Latin country. They've got the trashy look down pat, and the political corruption is coming along right nicely.

From Right Wing News:

"Republicans up on the Hill need to start getting a handle on the depth of feeling this issue is producing in their base. This issue is getting as big as Iraq, as big as deficit spending, as big as abortion, and the GOP better start treating it that way instead of errantly concluding that they can be as soft as they like without having to pay a price. If the GOP in Washington ends up flubbing this issue, it could cost us Congress, in 2006 or 2008, and the presidency in 2008 -- and that's no exaggeration."

The problem must be solved by the illegals deciding to head home on their own, not being arrested and bused home.

It simply isn't realistic to declare them all felons and think we have the man power and resolve to deport them all one by one.
I think congress was close, but the whole felony thing was dumb, it just gave all the leaders of said movement fuel to feed their fire.

I say Control the border.
Give employers the means to verify, then come down on them if they hire illeagals..

Cut off services to those who do not enroll in the temp worker program.
If they can't find work nor recieve benefits they will have no reason come, or stay.

We should not spend any money on finding or deporting unless a crime is commited, then automatic deportation. To try to verify and police this is a losing battle, police what we can police effectivly.

We should spend the money and manpower on the border, and in policing employers, that should be all that is needed.

Filming screaming & crying children being loaded on to buses will cause the public to lose their stomach, the illegals will have to be convinced to leave on their own accord.

I'm not a white supremist and I think Rockchuck is right on target. kwg

I agree. They moved here under their own power, and they will move back the same way for the same reason---economics. When work for illegals dries up, and welfare is not available without proof of legal status, they will saddle up and head south.

If it's big business that wants all of these illegals then they should have to pay the bill. Big business should set up stations in Mexico or where ever the potential employees come from and do the paperwork, do the background checks and pay for the new ID cards all under INS scrutiny. If you cheat you go home. We can do a guest worker program but we as tax payers should not have to foot the bill for it.

We need the GOP to grow some gonads. We already know the left doesn't have any. I would think that Ronnie Reagan would be turning over in his grave if he saw the way the GOP was acting now a'days. kwg

I'm not so sure crossing the border South bound will be too good for their health by the time they are no longer part of Mexico's Northern work force......the border can be closed from either side you know !

I kinda doubt thats all it would take to get them to leave. The bleeding heart liberals would take up their cause, provide em just enough to keep them around. Can you imagine refugee camps outside of major U.S. cities?

I'm not so sure crossing the border South bound will be too good for their health by the time they are no longer part of Mexico's Northern work force......the border can be closed from either side you know !
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Deny access to Mexico to Mexican citizens? Sure, go for it, that will be Vicente Fox's nightmare to deal with. That just might be the spark that is needed for change in Mexico. Let's see Mexico take the high ground on that one.

I am in the suburbs of Boston and i noticed the traffic was very light and there was an abscence of people on the street and in stores. I spent most of the day driving in 30 mile radius on the south side of the city. It was like going back in time to about 20 years ago. I thought i died and went to heaven. If this is what it is like without any illeagal aliens ,then all i have to say is YAHOO send them all back!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have a question that I haven't seen addressed by the MSM or others who support the Illegals. They say that the Illegals are only doing jobs that Americans won't do (I don't think that is necessarily true) for the low wage. Question: If we suddenly make the Illegals legal, will they keep on working cheap or will they say "screw you employer I want more money now that I am here legally"?

Also I haven't seen any stats on what Illegals cost in terms of education, health care, welfare(not all of them are hard working), crime etc.... Who is going to pay for their elder care in a few years. They aren't paying into the system, yet the system is going to have an enormous tab when they all get too old to work. Maybe they will go home when they retire? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />

This should be titled "A day without illegal immigrants."

I'm an immigrant, did it the right way & am PO'ed by those illegals "demanding" rights that they don't/shouldn't have...

badger

Rock Chuck writes:

Can't say I'm too unhappy to see this. I don't think anybody should pay taxes, of any sort, unless they're voluntary--and then of course they're no longer taxes. If we could get people to go from hollering, "It's not fair that I have to pay more taxes than he does!" to hollering, "It's not fair that I have to pay taxes!" I think that'd be a good thing. We need more folks voting against all tax levies and bond issues as a matter of principle simply because they're taxes, without any regard for whether they're "for a good cause." Whatever good might be done with the money is always more than canceled out by the fact that it's extortion money.

acy writes:

Another thing I can't be too unhappy about. The minimum wage is almost as bad an idea as taxes. If the business world tells the politicians, "Look, you fellas say whatever you think you have to to get reelected, but if you make 'em legal we're going to need a significant cut in the minimum wage," I think that'd be a good thing too. Without government artificially distorting the market, the price of cheap labor will be determined by supply and demand.

Why would they vote Democrat?
IT IS THE REPUBLICANS that have the Power in the SENATE AND THE HOUSE.
All of them should be thrown out of Office in the first election.
EVERY INCUMBENT IS A SLUG and will drain more cash from us than any Mexican Celery Picker.
What concerns me is the RISE IN DISEASE that was nearly erradicated in the US like TB, Mump, Measles, Typhus , Polio and who knows what else they have dragged up here from a Mexican slum.
The fact is that BOTH PARTIES are trying to get the Wetback Vote and Both Parties are really screwing the American Taxpayer on this Immigration problem and everything else like Fuel costs, Drug Costs, etc.
If you wonder why that can of Tomato Soup is now $1.00 instead of .50 cents just look at the price of a gallon of Georges Oil Baron friends Diesel fuel?
I shouldn't be to critical of Bush because He has an excellent track record, He has banrupted every organization He ever was in Charge of.
What pisses me off is that I was stupid enough to vote for him and now the results are getting real clear.
Then again Bush/Gore or Bush/Kerry?
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Here's a true story:

Yesterday I was coming back from a long weekend camping trip here in Northern Californis. I stopped at a Mc Donald's for a quick burger, but couldn't go drive thru because I was towing my trailer. So I parked and TRIED to go through the front door. They were closed to everything except drive thru due to a lack of attendance by the Mexican workers!! Not enough staff. This happened in Vacaville California, May 1 around noon! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

Take it for what it's worth.

Let's face facts.
Mexico only has three viable exports that are Mexican govt. controlled.
Cheap Labor, Oil and Drugs.
ALL are sponsored by the Mexican Govt.
Vincente Fox President of Mexico is the head of the Largest Drug Cartel known to Mankind.
The Mexican Army is fully complicit in Drug Smuggleing and has been observed by our Border Patrol many times bringing Dope in by the Humvee load.
The Mexican Army has fired on our Planes, Helicopters and field Personell on our side of the Border yet not one word of this comes out of Washington except telling our People to keep their mouths shut.
If you want to talk to People that are just ready to say, "the hell with it" talk to our Border Patrol people that are in the field, not the talking heads from the Main offices.

I was in LA up until Sunday, and was glad to be gone. My great aunt lives one block from Wilshire, and they already had the signs up closing Wilshire from 2-8 PM on the 1st. The whole town has changed in the last 30 years, and not for the better. I went to the Home Depot to get supplies to do some repairs to my aunt's house, and you wouldn't believe the number of Mexican laborers mobbing my car begging for work. This was on Sunset in Hollywood, not East LA. It was a definite eye opener.

And for all those stating that there is some type of racist component to all of this, I say bullshit. Try and play that racist bigot crap to someone who gives a damn and will be guilted into silence. Most of us don't fit that bill. To me it's a matter of national sovereignty and security. You can't have the homeland secure if you're unwilling to secure the borders. Yeah, maybe it's impossible to round up 12 million illegals, I doubt it, but say it's so. If you seal the border, and make entry and exit points controllable, then check out the employers of illegals for their employment practices, the problem will take care of itself. Trust me, the government knows just where the illegals are employed. It's verifiable through Social Security records. As a matter of fact, Chertoff is trying to get Congress to force the SSA to give him the records on valid/inavalid SSN's as we speak, and the IRS and SSA are fighting it tooth and nail.

Another thing for those that think that being anti illegal immigration is some white supremacist motivated movement. The people behind the rallies and newspaper op/eds favoring legalizing the illegals are backed by a number of public employee and textile/clothing unions as well as the communist party. Before you laugh and think I'm a 'round the bend John Burcher, look at the small print at the bottom of some of the "undocumented worker" protest signs. You'll see an organisation called circnow.org. This stands for Comprehensive Immigration Reform Now. This organisation has an address of 1775 K St. NW, Suite 620, Washington DC. This also happens to be the HQ of UNITE HERE, a labor union formed as a result of a merger between the Union of Needletrades, Industrial, and Textile Employees, and the Hotel Employees and Restaurant Employees International Union. They are one of the groups trying to legalize the illegals in order to get them to join their union, pay dues and regain political clout that the unions once had. Guess for whom they'll vote. I can guarantee it won't be Libertarian or Republican. Americans Coming Together is another organizer of the rallies and they're a wing of the American Communist Party. So for all of you who want to lump this anti "immigrant" feeling as some racist plot, do a little research as to who is behind all of the pro illegal immigration activity before you try to guilt us into shutting up. If you're truly interested in the survival of America as America, with our own culture and value system, and not as some adjunct of Mexico, you might just reconsider your position.

Jeez, Inspector..............from the sound of that I figured you must live in my neck of the woods ( cactus and scrub, actually)

Good words, man. +1

GTC <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

I have a question that I haven't seen addressed by the MSM or others who support the Illegals. They say that the Illegals are only doing jobs that Americans won't do (I don't think that is necessarily true) for the low wage. Question: If we suddenly make the Illegals legal, will they keep on working cheap or will they say "screw you employer I want more money now that I am here legally"?
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I agree that �jobs Americans won�t do� stance is horse sheet. Twenty years ago construction paid a decent wage, now the wage has been driven down by the pool of cheap labor. In some instances already I hear Mexcicns complaining that they too are now making less because of the illegal that came after them.

If you gave them all amnesty tommrow, yes, they would then demand more, but again, would be cut down by tommorow's illegal alien.

In past threads discussing the pros vs. cons of unions, when others have talked about dwindling numbers I have stated that would all change the day the illegal if made legal. Look how easy it has been to organize millions of Mexicans in the name of �fairness� in the streets of our cities, the unions would have a field day when the fear is lifted.

The ironic part to all of this is that Cesar Chavez himself saw the dangers of illegal immigration. When Chavez and the UFW would negotiate for a decent wage and benefits, the ag industry would then bring in illegals to cross the UFW picket lines to Chavez�s dismay. Chavez at one point took the UFW to the border in a 1970�s for his own little minuteman project, was he being racist?



� when the farm workers strike and their strike is successful, the employers go to Mexico and have unlimited, unrestricted use of illegal alien strikebreakers to break the strike. And, for over 30 years, the Immigration and Naturalization Service has looked the other way and assisted in the strikebreaking. I do not remember one single instance in 30 years where the Immigration service has removed strikebreakers. � The employers use professional smugglers to recruit and transport human contraband across the Mexican border for the specific act of strikebreaking�

Ceasar Chavez tesifying before Congress in 1979