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Just so we are clear���I don't disagree with what you wrote regarding keeping gov out of people's personal lives���I was asking for your solution.

I'm a firm believer in personal responsibility��..and I don't think productive society should be paying for deadbeats��I just wonder how we fix it??

WE don't. We take care of ourselves and our family, pretty simple really.

Once our house is in check, feel free to help your neighbor, or not, but it sure ain't the government's place.

Isn't that what is suppose to differentiate man from animals�..that man chooses behavior rather than simply acting on instinct?

How about we put you on a ship or in jail with nothing but men for 3 years and see what happens? I bet the odds are better than the population percentages would indicate.

I know, I'm being sarcastic there, but you can't discount it. You should hear the stories a prison guard friend tells!

Why don't you check out the link I posted and re-think your glib remark?

I thought it was our ability to make whiskey.

Who is this "we" you speak of?

I agree, but, if we can't fix it, and by fix it, I mean stop supporting deadbeats, then we will simply keep paying for it.

I'm not looking for some "social solution", I'm looking for a way to change the current system of taking our money and using it to support scum��

Anything short of "pushing the reset button" and starting over, I don't see any way out��.do you??

That is just plain ignorant. How many homosexuals do you propose to tell me were created in the United States Navy? I Spent a couple years on a ship and never even gave it a thought. And, yes we did have homosexuals on the ship, just like everywhere else I was stationed in that four years. During that time I know of not a single person who started out heterosexual and decided to be either bi-sexual or homosexual.

How do we keep paying for it? That's the point, get government out of it.

If both parents are deadbeats another family member steps forward, that is what family does. If there are no other family members maybe the church takes them. If that don't happen, maybe a neighbor.

If none of that happens, I guess the kid fades away.

Now you have Social Services etc, so the neighbor can't take the kid, it goes into some [bleep] government system.

How the hell was it done for 10,000 years before their was a government to take care of 'you'?

Talk to a jailer some time, Miles. I would expect you squids to be of higher caliber than average. How long was your crew confined to ship at a stretch? Even if only a couple months, I'll bet the hookers had a windfall when the crew had shore leave.

I agree��.now, how do we get the gov out of it???

There is no way we will ever vote our way out of this mess��..

Rocky, I'm not a lawyer and don't pretend to know a lot of law. Where I live, as I understand it, co-habitation for some specified period of time creates a common law situation which then attaches certain conditions to separation and maintenance. Again, AFAIK, there are many other jurisdictions where this is the case.

Factually, living together outside of marriage MAY make it easier to separate, providing neither of the partners makes a legal issue of it.

Jim

Well, at least you capitalized Bible.

"It is ordained in the eternal constitution of things that men of intemperate minds cannot be free, their passions forge their fetters."

Edmund Burke

In our Founders' correspondence with one another, Burke's writings were the 3rd most often cited, behind Blackstone's Commentaries on the Law, and....the Bible.

http://www.one-eternal-day.com/2012/01/of-intemperate-minds-cannot-be-free.html

If you have even a shred of a position here, you should be able to find some statistics somewhere that bear it out. Over a lot of years literally millions of men have served on ships in the USN and USCG with their complements of Marines. the military misses nothing. Personally, I spent more than three months on a ship from before the NKs grabbed the Pueblo and through Tet.

Try looking into how many homos the USN creates on nuclear boats where confinement in close quarters for extended periods is the norm.

Go back and confine you commentary to somewhere that you have at least a tiny grasp of what you're talking about.

Show me peer reviewed science to support you claim(s) and the cited claims in the link.

So if we have a Jewish or Muslim baker and I want a pie crust based on lard (pork fat), do they have to make it?

What of the signs insisting that a business can refuse to serve anyone? Our own government imposes trade restrictions etc on countries all the time over what are simply philosophical differences.

I don't know this for a fact but think many (some) gays want marriage in order to facilitate the adoption of children. For me personally, this is a concept I do not support. I have no idea whether any studies have ever been done to establish whether or not children are adversely affected by being adopted by homosexual or lesbian parents. I find it hard to believe that a child having parents of only one gender are not adversely affected by this. At the very least I'm sure they are the subject of discrimination by their classmates while at school. Children can be notoriously cruel and you can be sure they will make life a living hell for the children of such couples. Especially if they come from homes where the attitudes contained in some of the posts written here are freely spoken.

Just my view of things.

Jim

Real conservatives would simply want the government to have nothing to do with marriage at all. No licenses, no tax breaks, nothing.

Advocating the government only support "your" idea of marriage is not a conservative position. It is a position that wants the government to intervene so that other people can't do something you don't approve of.

There should be a VERY high bar to get over for that to happen.

Think Murder. Rape. etc...

It's called situational homosexuality.