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Have they shut down model 70 production in South Carolina? Have they started production in Europe yet? The SC 70s were really nice. I hope they don't screw it up with the move... Edit: if the BAR Safari is any indication we might be ok. 
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Not sure exactly when the change is going to happen (or if it already has) but manufacturing will still be in SC, it is only assembly that will be in Portugal.
Several Winchester and Browning offerings are already assembled in Portugal and have been for years, I don't think there's anything to worry about here.
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I was thinking they might be in the middle of the change over right now, since new m70's are hard to find at the moment.
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I can't see the gain in manufacturing in SC, then shipping to Portugal to have it assembled, then shipped back or to dealers? Am I missing something?
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I agree that this does not seem to make sense. Anybody know why they would do this? I can't see the gain in manufacturing in SC, then shipping to Portugal to have it assembled, then shipped back or to dealers? Am I missing something?
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Just Googled labor "rates in other countries"
hourly cost of manufacturing in the US: $35.67
hourly cost of manufacturing in Portugal: $12.10
I'm guessing assembly is the most labor intensive part of manufacturing a rifle. 24 bucks an hour pays a lot of freight
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I'm only buying the older ones from here on out. Phuuuuuuck them...
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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When you are doing 4500 rifles, that's $108,000 so, it's a business you know? People would be all cranky and schit if FN said pluckk it, we ain't makin' no mo M70's at all, evah!
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I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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When you are doing 4500 rifles, that's $108,000 so, it's a business you know? People would be all cranky and schit if FN said pluckk it, we ain't makin' no mo M70's at all, evah!
Maybe for the short term. It's not like a FN M70 is a classic already. There are more American made rifles now then ever before. These are the good old days when it comes to choices. SC Labor must be high if it's cheaper to ship all the parts to Europe, pay someone to assemble them, then ship them all back.
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Late addition: For pure factory, Ruger deserves a look if made in America is important. Have only one, but it is a winner.
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So, does anyone know if this has happened yet? Wasn't it announced in 2012 to begin in 2013?
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Late addition: For pure factory, Ruger deserves a look if made in America is important. Have only one, but it is a winner. Remington 700 and Model 7?
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Just Googled labor "rates in other countries"
hourly cost of manufacturing in the US: $35.67
hourly cost of manufacturing in Portugal: $12.10
I'm guessing assembly is the most labor intensive part of manufacturing a rifle. 24 bucks an hour pays a lot of freight My old Browning B2000 says, "Made in Belgium, Assembled in Portugal." Evidently labor has been cheaper in Portugal for a long time.
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Late addition: For pure factory, Ruger deserves a look if made in America is important. Have only one, but it is a winner. Remington 700 and Model 7? No way I'm shooting a Remington. The folks at a local gun shop told me that the Winchster/Browning folks got cold feet and decided to keep the assembly in the U.S.A. Who knows at this point? I have a buddy that is looking for a new Sporter in 30.06 and can't find one anywhere.
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The folks at the LGS ALWAYS know the straight poop.
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Late addition: For pure factory, Ruger deserves a look if made in America is important. Have only one, but it is a winner. Remington 700 and Model 7? No way I'm shooting a Remington. The folks at a local gun shop told me that the Winchster/Browning folks got cold feet and decided to keep the assembly in the U.S.A. Who knows at this point? I have a buddy that is looking for a new Sporter in 30.06 and can't find one anywhere. You can't find them at the wholesale level either or at least I can't. I'm in the market for one, but they shift production overseas and I'll go with a Ruger....it's sad how this country has put a price tag on our sovereignty, but that's another discussion.
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The reason the stocks... winchesters supplier of stocks couldnt gurantee the qc, winchester was sending more stocks back to the supplier. In portugal fn/browning have an in house stock making operation. So they can gurantee the qc on the stocks since they are made in house. Thats why boys... The supplier was supposedly boyds stocks...
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Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego. Suckin' on my titties like you wanted me.
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The reason the stocks... winchesters supplier of stocks couldnt gurantee the qc, winchester was sending more stocks back to the supplier. In portugal fn/browning have an in house stock making operation. So they can gurantee the qc on the stocks since they are made in house. Thats why boys... The supplier was supposedly boyds stocks... This is what they told me today on the phone as well. Seems a little weak to me. Sort of like the tail wagging the dog. You move your entire operation across the pond because of the stocks???????? That may surely be a factor but I feel sure that it was a financial decision. Bummer!!!! It may cost them some of their best customer base. I guess I will have to do a little soul searching on the matter. If I were to buy a new rifle rifle now I would look for a S.C. made one or go with Ruger.
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