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We went thru this several years ago with our law enforcement folks. It basically came down to a safety issue that we both could live with. Our troopers and fire guys pretty much get along. Really haven't had an issue we couldn't work out face to face.
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All I ever knew about incident command was that the LEO's did not want anything to do with patient care or burning things.
In order to ensure this, they took care not to aggravate the EMS/FF folks by closing things off and staying back until the gooey people where removed and the wet stuff was amply applied to the red stuff.
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It's not been necessary in the hundreds ++ scenes I've been to, but we (FF/EMS) are responsible for the patients and our own. Law enforcement directs traffic and does the accident investigation. Once the patients and EMS have cleared the scene LEO take over.
We've ALWAYS had a very good working relationship with LEO in my AO.
Often, if not almost always, we are first on scene and depending upon the situation will close down the road until LEO show up to direct and control traffic.
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It's not been necessary in the hundreds ++ scenes I've been to, but we (FF/EMS) are responsible for the patients and our own. Law enforcement directs traffic and does the accident investigation. Once the patients and EMS have cleared the scene LEO take over.
We've ALWAYS had a very good working relationship with LEO in my AO.
Often, if not almost always, we are first on scene and depending upon the situation will close down the road until LEO show up to direct and control traffic. Basically mirrors us here. 36 years and have had maybe one spat with a trooper.
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according to bits I"ve read about this the last few days, CHP controls everything on the highway, unlike here in TX.
It is the same in Texas. It rarely becomes an issue though. Normally these thing occur when somebody has tunnel vision in regards to saving a life, while the other is trying to save a thousand others. Conflict is inevitable. Chalk it up to being in the trouble business.
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No doubt, and we both know why stuff like this really happens.  Penis envy 
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No doubt, and we both know why stuff like this really happens. Penis envy Pretty much, Keith
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More like pillow envy.
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Wah...somebody needs to get a refresher on who's in charge at a scene like that. Who is the incident commander in this one Pat. Seems should be police. Should be "Unified Command"....both agencies work together. Yes it should, and this case, LE has to be the incident commander. Question for both of you. Who assumes IC of a Haz-Mat incident on a highway/freeway in your areas?
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It's not been necessary in the hundreds ++ scenes I've been to, but we (FF/EMS) are responsible for the patients and our own. Law enforcement directs traffic and does the accident investigation. Once the patients and EMS have cleared the scene LEO take over.
We've ALWAYS had a very good working relationship with LEO in my AO.
Often, if not almost always, we are first on scene and depending upon the situation will close down the road until LEO show up to direct and control traffic. Basically mirrors us here. 36 years and have had maybe one spat with a trooper. Amazing how smoothly crazy situations can run when professionalism is the norm.
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Typically for us, it would be the City Emergency Management Coordinator, who happens to be a cop, but could just as easily be a firefighter. If it doesn't warrant that much attention, it would definately be Fire. (We have LOTS of haz-mat.)
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Fire takes it. We send the cops to the scene to see if they fall over. Copometers are priceless... 
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Fireman's Rule of Thumb.
If you approach a haz-mat scene and can see,with the arm extended, any part of the cop around your thumb...you're too close.
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Fireman's Rule of Thumb.
If you approach a haz-mat scene and can see,with the arm extended, any part of the cop around your thumb...you're too close. Hahaha...you nailed it!
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Fire takes it. We send the cops to the scene to see if they fall over. Copometers are priceless... Must be why they always called the rookie cops "canaries"
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Fire takes it. We send the cops to the scene to see if they fall over. Copometers are priceless... Yes sir. LT, is he/she trained to operations level or awareness? Honest questions not stirring the pot.
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Fireman's Rule of Thumb.
If you approach a haz-mat scene and can see,with the arm extended, any part of the cop around your thumb...you're too close. Haz-mat scenes are for the rookies. Space suits and being hosed off in public is better left for those with a lot of ambition and less intelligence.lol I wore those space suits more than a few times, more than a few years ago...
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On a serious note, all of our military's jet fuel, most of their explosive making chemicals and 15% of the nations fuel are made within a couple of miles of my office. We work well with Fire and Industry. We have to.
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Fire takes it. We send the cops to the scene to see if they fall over. Copometers are priceless... Yes sir. LT, is he/she trained to operations level or awareness? Honest questions not stirring the pot. That depends on the specific situation, but for the most part...yes. Practice makes perfect.
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The LEO's don't even handle traffic control 90% of the time around here, just fill out the accident reports. Scene safety should be first priority. The CHP officer in this case needs to find a new job in mall security.
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