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Thanks for all the responses. Each one made several good points and I am wiser for the thread.
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First, good luck finding a stainless 700 action for less than $500.
I've had enough issues with 700 scope alignment to warrant the Stiller if given the choice.
A one piece bolt is comforting too, especially if you've had a 700 handle fail.
The firing pin assembly on the 700 has been known to be less than adequate.
Then there's the overall machining quality of the Stiller, which may not help performance very much, but I sure do prefer it.
If you have a 700 action on hand and desire bare bones, then roll with it. If intentions are to buy an action, especially stainless, and add a firing pin assembly, recoil lug, side bolt release, bolt handle, aftermarket trigger, quality bottom metal etc. then Stiller is a slam dunk.
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First, good luck finding a stainless 700 action for less than $500.
I've had enough issues with 700 scope alignment to warrant the Stiller if given the choice.
A one piece bolt is comforting too, especially if you've had a 700 handle fail.
The firing pin assembly on the 700 has been known to be less than adequate.
Then there's the overall machining quality of the Stiller, which may not help performance very much, but I sure do prefer it.
If you have a 700 action on hand and desire bare bones, then roll with it. If intentions are to buy an action, especially stainless, and add a firing pin assembly, recoil lug, side bolt release, bolt handle, aftermarket trigger, quality bottom metal etc. then Stiller is a slam dunk. Stiller has basically the same FP system as a Factory 700, one if not the best is Jim Bordens design, he has put alot of thought into it along with bolt handle timing and trigger timing, ie ( sear to cocking piece hand off)
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Having the same system is one thing, QC is another. I was referring to QC, sorry for the confusion. As you said, nothing wrong with the system.
Stiller also has the same scope base mounting "system". Its not unusual for 700 screw holes to be misaligned horizontally. Its also not unusual for the height to be misaligned vertically (top of action not true).
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Having the same system is one thing, QC is another. I was referring to QC, sorry for the confusion. As you said, nothing wrong with the system.
Stiller also has the same scope base mounting "system". Its not unusual for 700 screw holes to be misaligned horizontally. Its also not unusual for the height to be misaligned vertically (top of action not true). I agree, Base screw hole alignment and height is a big plus and sure makes for less headaches at times!
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First, good luck finding a stainless 700 action for less than $500.
I've had enough issues with 700 scope alignment to warrant the Stiller if given the choice.
A one piece bolt is comforting too, especially if you've had a 700 handle fail.
The firing pin assembly on the 700 has been known to be less than adequate.
Then there's the overall machining quality of the Stiller, which may not help performance very much, but I sure do prefer it.
If you have a 700 action on hand and desire bare bones, then roll with it. If intentions are to buy an action, especially stainless, and add a firing pin assembly, recoil lug, side bolt release, bolt handle, aftermarket trigger, quality bottom metal etc. then Stiller is a slam dunk. And I thought I was a rifle snob! 
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I have had my share of headaches. That said, my most accurate (crazy accurate) rifle is on a 700.
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Not suprised, there are some very accurate 700's around, I just think customs for the most part are a little more consistant platform to start with!
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I built a 600 for my Grandson about 4 years ago. I should have known better, but I have a machine shop. I had $900 in the receiver. I don't know how you figure that you save money with a 700 because you have a trigger. You don't build a top notch rifle and use the factory trigger, well most don't. ![[Linked Image]](http://i54.tinypic.com/33morci.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](http://i52.tinypic.com/29w9zwk.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](http://i55.tinypic.com/126bmea.jpg) I would call this an apples to apples comparison, not a apples to garlic comparison. Now you can save money only if you are doing your own machine work. The bolt came fluted from PT&G. Now remember that Stillers come with the .062 firing pin also as did my PT&G. You can save money by sleeving your own bolt and save a little using the factory bolt release. You can also save a little by not using a 3 pos safety.
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A fitted .062 FP is another + with some of the clones!
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What kind of barrels are the Stillers using these days ?
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Not sure their using any barrels.....
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What method and extent of truing did you get for $150? All that's needed. All on a lathe, I'm guessin' (I'm not even close to being a gunsmith). Action face, bolt face, threads, rear of bolt lugs, recoil lug if needed. $250 to install a barrel. $400 to true action and install a barrel. It's a no brainer for me. If you got a full on, dialed in to a tenth or two, single point cut, all in one set up type truing up for $150 then you got a really good deal.
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Stiller is not barreling any of their actions ? A bit back a friend bought a stiller predator, he wanted the action I got the barrel (260) stamped 10X, as I type this I am remembering it was a bit of research it was the 10X company that sold this rifle, it seems it was a Hart barrel the best we could figure.
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You may very well be correct, I have heard they did some builds a while back, HS precision use to sell 10x cut rifled barrels, but it's very possible that 10x rifles used Hart barrels!
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All I know for sure it spun right on a 700 action (really I guess it is a sportsman 78) head spaced perfect (index was off on stamping) but shoots very, very well !!
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