Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire fairfax City, Va. bans bow hunting deer & will use sterlization

This liberal Northern Virginia city council voted 5-1 to ban bow hunting to control deer & will participate in a sterilization program. A university group named White Buffalo will fund the project & contends 100% success will be obtained at a cost of $1000 for each doe deer. White Buffalo plans to shoot all doe deer with tranquilizer darts & then transport them to vets for surgery. Since it takes 60 days for the drug to clear the deer's system tags will be inserted to warn not to eat the meat. The lone negative vote was a council member that felt input from the Dept. of Fish & Game was appropriate. No game officials, biologist, or sportsmen opinions were solicited before the council vote. I suppose signs will be posted advising Fairfax County deer to not enter the city of Fairfax. White Buffalo contends the success of this program will be used to spread non-lethal deer control to other jurisdictions.

I think the sterilization should start with the council members.

Tim

This should be fun to watch

I just can't imagine how this will be accomplished. This is a 6 square mile city with massive traffic & lots of housing & shopping centers. All of the wooded areas are small & it would seem likely a tranquilized deer could stumble into traffic. If a tranquilized deer goes onto private property the owner can refuse admission. The Suburban Deer Hunters Association has archery hunts in Northern Virginia to control deer. Occasionally a fatally shot deer ends up on a neighbors property & admission is denied. Nothing anyone can do to retrieve the deer. It would appear the same would apply to tranquilized deer.

They aint no "campus group".

Pretty sure White Buffalo is the company started by a Dr in Wildlife management or Wildlife Biology who pushed for towns to change laws to issue his company a permit to snipe deer at night using suppressed .223 and night vision. In the suburbs.

BUnch of towns bought into it. Same towns werent allowing any hunting of any kind.

So now he is into the sterilization game. Eff White buffalo.

Thats assuming the Lib who denied a bow hunter wouldnt be "on board" with techniques that dont use firearms.

I don't now the answer to these two questions but would appreciate linkable feedback.
1. Is there an increase in weight gain with sterilization? Just thinking of the impact of car collisions with added weight.

2. Does this type of herd management increase the probability of CWD vs culling by kill?

No telling what this is actually going to cost us in the end.

What the hell is Va coming too? Propose that in Bland or Giles county and I'll hear the laughter all the way up here.

Some extra food for thought.

Fairfax City estimates its deer population at 70. (They have no way of knowing for sure by the way.) They don't give any buck-doe ratio data, but say 3 does per buck. (This is probably way low given the masses of does to bucks in surrounding areas but its only for demo anyway.) Round out to 50 does. Some of them will be past it. Again, for argument sake, say 45 does at the target group.

Just how many can these guys dart in a crowded urban environment? Half of them? I doubt it. They hang in groups and you dart one and the rest will bolt. That leaves you with 22-23 does max darted and neutered. (At what cost?) With the others out there reproducing fawns -- again mostly does and probably more the one each given the tendency of urban deer here to drop twins. They will have many years to restock the herd.

And what will the Wall around Fairfaxe City cost to keep out deer from surrounding areas who, being overcrowded on their turf, are sure to fill in many of the gaps projected in deer pop by the sklicksters at White Buffalo.

I have a better solution for the PETA-isti in local government. It will take nothing to convince these pussheads that we can right old wrongs by reintroducing Indians to control the deer herds as they take back their stolen land. And the casinos will bring jobs too.

1B

We haven't seen nothin yet.... Wait til Mcauliffe starts pushing Bloombergs anti gun agenda on us. That million dollar campaign donation didn't come without strings attached you can bet your ass! Only chance we have is to get folks out to the polling stations to protect the their rights and interests before it's too late.

Then we have hunters fighting against allowing sunday hunting?! We better take every opportunity we can to take our kids hunting and keep this tradition alive!

Sterilization is much better it builds another big bureaucracy which is what we need and it will help to destroy hunting a little more. If they have a deer problem extend the current season or have some controlled late/archery seasons. We need a whole lot more hunting and a hell of a lot less government

frontal lobotomy to go along with the other procedure...

Reminds me of the do-gooder idjits who � years ago � voted to kill all the deer to eliminate hunting.

Good Bye Virginia,you have started your slide into a liberial cesspool

We all know that when population drops if by some miracle it does start to work that the remaining does will have much higher birth rates... This should be funny to watch..

Hell I left Fairfax County in 1970 to go to college in Boston and never went home....it was flushing downhill way back then.. and I knew it would never get better...

still have a lot of family in the area.... but it is no longer home... hasn't been for a long time...

when I grew up there, as soon as you crossed the Potomac, you were WAY down south...sadly no more.. I can remember people who had farms in Arlington County in my youth... and especially in Fairfax County....

Graduated West Springfield High.. June 1970...

We have written before about the deer sterilization program in Cayuga Heights, which borders the Cornell campus (most people think of it as Ithaca, but it�s actually a separate municipality).

Because Reproductive Health Care Is A Cervine Right:

I have written before about the moral angst sweeping the upscale Village of Cayuga Heights, bordering the Cornell campus and home to a large number of professors and staff, over how to control the out-of-control deer population.

After years of debate, which tore the community apart, Cayuga Heights has come up with a solution:

The board of trustees passed a resolution Monday night to begin implementation of the phased options approach to deer management. The village will begin with the surgical sterilization of 20-60 does within a two-year period, followed by the culling of the remainder of the herd.

The cost per sterilization? Don�t ask:

The first phase of sterilization is estimated to take two years at an average cost of $1,200 per doe, according to the statement.

If they do for our health care system what they�ve done for the deer of Cayuga Heights, we�re sunk.

How did it work out?

The Ithaca Journal reports, Cayuga Heights spends $35K to sterilize 12 does:


The latest round of village deer sterilizations removed ovaries from 12 deer in December and cost taxpayers $35,808.

Does were shot with tranquilizer darts and taken to a temporary surgical facility, according to a report by White Buffalo Inc. The company conducted the sterilizations and reported that no deer died during capture, surgery or release�.

Costs for this winter�s doe sterilization were well above early estimates, set at $1,000 per animal. The cost for the December sterilizations was $2,984 per deer.

�The cost per deer rises when you�re trying to pick the last few out,� Cayuga Heights Mayor Kate Supron said. A high percentage of sterilized does is crucial for deer population control, she added.

During December 2012, the village spent $148,315 to remove ovaries from 137 female deer, an average of $1,082.

For the 2013 fiscal year, Cayuga Heights spent $8,294 in legal consulting fees on deer population control, and $21,277 for a Cornell University study on the number of deer in the village.

So will the plan even work? No, under current estimates it still will leave the deer populiation 4-5 times the environmentally healthy level, as the Journal further reports:

Paul Curtis, a wildlife specialist in Cornell�s Department of Natural Resources, said the population is well above what�s healthy for the environment. Curtis recommended that suburban communities, such as Cayuga Heights, have deer population densities below 15 to 20 deer per square mile.

Supron said a 10 percent to 15 percent drop in the village�s deer herd is expected. Most village deer are no longer breeding, and others are being killed by cars or natural causes.

�That would still leave us with over 100 deer per square mile,� Supron said.

Welcome to my world.

http://legalinsurrection.com/2014/01/ny-town-spends-2984-per-deer-in-sterilization-program/

A good friend of mine does population control shooting in WNY professionally. He's up to 89 deer in the last 12 months (almost 700 in total), and in some areas gets paid $35.00/deer.
There's still enough deer for him to become rich if he did it full time. Replacements just keep walking in to the area from other towns...

Unfortunately, the slide into liberalism is complete. The liberal parts of Virginia include the heavily populated Northern area near DC, the Tidewater area(Norfolk & Newport News) & our capital Richmond. Virginia went for Obama in the last two elections & has a Democratic governor. The House of Delegates is still Republican thanks to the mainly traditional rural areas. Go 50 miles from the Virginia/DC border & its still traditional Virginia. Fairfax City didn't get any input from our Dept. of Game & Inland Fisheries, biologist, or sportsmen. Since an outside group is footing the bill the City of Fairfax apparently acted without seeking any voter input as well. I predict this program will be a total failure & quietly go away.

As I watch the deer eating the lariape in my backyard (here in NoVA)....I can only hope so

PETA and feminist. That's right, does don't go into estrous, bucks get no puzzy.

All they have to do is post these signs:



Pass a law, post a sign, problem solved. Just like this sign stops criminals and active shooters: