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I was at a collectors show this weekend in TN... (150 or so tables of only guns... no other things and was it refreshing)... Any way. There were about 6 or so pre-64 model 70's in the show... only 1 sold... and it was a standard grade 264 with a Redfield 2-7 on it and it sold for $1000....
Had a nice Alaskan 338 with an older scope and the guy was aksing 1400... I am sure he would have taken less... no sale... multiple nice featherweights... with scopes... nothing... and I mean guns like Pre-64 30-06 featherweight is very nice shape, with a Leupold VX-11 3-9, nice sling, mounts, etc... asking 1200....
Just really surprised me the lack of movement on them.... There was only one that was high dollars and it had a stock on it that would blow your mind... after market of course
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It's a lean time of year, many folks doing their taxes or not working as much, a good time to buy if you got the dough.
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I'd like to contact the .338WM owner. 
My home is the "sanctuary residence" for my firearms.
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I was at a collectors show this weekend in TN... (150 or so tables of only guns... no other things and was it refreshing)... Any way. There were about 6 or so pre-64 model 70's in the show... only 1 sold... and it was a standard grade 264 with a Redfield 2-7 on it and it sold for $1000....
Had a nice Alaskan 338 with an older scope and the guy was aksing 1400... I am sure he would have taken less... no sale... multiple nice featherweights... with scopes... nothing... and I mean guns like Pre-64 30-06 featherweight is very nice shape, with a Leupold VX-11 3-9, nice sling, mounts, etc... asking 1200....
Just really surprised me the lack of movement on them.... There was only one that was high dollars and it had a stock on it that would blow your mind... after market of course
At those prices, none of those rifles would have lasted 10 minutes at a show up here.
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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The question is how "nice" was the 338? If it was nice AND original $1400 was just about giving it away! My bet is that something was wrong with it.
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The question is how "nice" was the 338? If it was nice AND original $1400 was just about giving it away! My bet is that something was wrong with it. Sounds like a no brainer huh reelman. I would have ripped my pocked out trying to get to my wallet. If those rifles were truly "nice" and original, someone could have made some money buying them and re-selling them.. Just a thunk...
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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1. Christmas bills have hit.
2. Tax Man Coming.
3. More gun shows to attend before hunting season comes around.
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Priorities, priorities, priorities. I would have bought some of those...No brainer, nuff said..
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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Ladies and Gentlemen:
Obamacare has struck.
When it was still in its infancy, the House bill I mean, which astoundingly became the final statute, I ran through about 175 pages of it. When done, I called my wife and said, (this was back in 2010) "this is a tax bill with a huge new, expensive bureaucracy hidden inside a healthcare bill."
Well, guess what, even the San Francisco Federal Reserve Bank has stated that the cause for our lousy recovery is not too little government spending, but too much of a tax bite.
Welcome to the world of Obama's Marxist ideal.
So, sales of everything are being impacted by this new, huge tax burden called the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (Obamacare).
Sincerely,
Chris Bemis
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At those prices, none of those rifles would have lasted 10 minutes at a show up here.
Same here.
laissez les bons temps rouler
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Still seeing $2K ARs at our big show, we seem to have a number of knuckleheads that now need to recoup their "investment". Good hunting and investment rifles are sitting on the tables...
One local shop has had some excellent buys come through as folks prep for the tax bite this year.
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Where in Tennessee was this show? Gatlinburg?
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IMHO, the top of the cycle for pre-64 70's peaked 10 years ago. I bought my first one in 1969 and ended up with over 70. I was fortunate to have friends with shops and other sources, so my collection had many, many quality and rare guns. However, in the early 2000's I saw the market dropping and sold the collection. Three buyers took them and the rest is history. But, during the sale, we discussed why the market was changing. The Greatest Generation brought us the rifle, sustained is sales but the baby boomers only followed their fraternal fore bearers so far and started to branch off into other guns. Now my children would rather have a plastic AR or handgun, than an iconic rifle. I see less and less of them at shows or for sale by private sources. Their are still quality/collector grade rifles out there but most are traded collector to collector to fill each ones needs. If you want one or two for shooting or hunting, they are out their with reasonable prices. Otherwise, the ones I see are not collectable with collection prices. I see too many sellers trying to make that one time huge sale with a rifle that isn't worth the prices. The other killer of sales is the seller who knows little about the pre-64, but talks like a expert and spreads dis-information that kills the real deal sales. I don't regret my sale, as they went to great homes, but realistically, the competition with other guns is too much for the current generation. On the upside the Winchester Classic, pre-FN, are receiving good prices for NIB.
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Where in Tennessee was this show? Gatlinburg? Knoxville... Downtown
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[quote=buddydog]IMHO, the top of the cycle for pre-64 70's peaked 10 years ago.
Agree on the common guns....the rare calibers and configurations are going for more now then they ever did.
"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro."
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IMHO, the top of the cycle for pre-64 70's peaked 10 years ago. I bought my first one in 1969 and ended up with over 70. I was fortunate to have friends with shops and other sources, so my collection had many, many quality and rare guns. However, in the early 2000's I saw the market dropping and sold the collection. Three buyers took them and the rest is history. But, during the sale, we discussed why the market was changing. The Greatest Generation brought us the rifle, sustained is sales but the baby boomers only followed their fraternal fore bearers so far and started to branch off into other guns. Now my children would rather have a plastic AR or handgun, than an iconic rifle. I see less and less of them at shows or for sale by private sources. Their are still quality/collector grade rifles out there but most are traded collector to collector to fill each ones needs. If you want one or two for shooting or hunting, they are out their with reasonable prices. Otherwise, the ones I see are not collectable with collection prices. I see too many sellers trying to make that one time huge sale with a rifle that isn't worth the prices. The other killer of sales is the seller who knows little about the pre-64, but talks like a expert and spreads dis-information that kills the real deal sales. I don't regret my sale, as they went to great homes, but realistically, the competition with other guns is too much for the current generation. On the upside the Winchester Classic, pre-FN, are receiving good prices for NIB. This! Rare will always be more, but a clean .270 or .30-06 can be had for a great price today.
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They sure seem to be topping out and going down around here too. Quite a few shooter grade available at much cheaper than a Kimber.
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IMHO, the top of the cycle for pre-64 70's peaked 10 years ago. I bought my first one in 1969 and ended up with over 70. I was fortunate to have friends with shops and other sources, so my collection had many, many quality and rare guns. However, in the early 2000's I saw the market dropping and sold the collection. Three buyers took them and the rest is history. But, during the sale, we discussed why the market was changing. The Greatest Generation brought us the rifle, sustained is sales but the baby boomers only followed their fraternal fore bearers so far and started to branch off into other guns. Now my children would rather have a plastic AR or handgun, than an iconic rifle. I see less and less of them at shows or for sale by private sources. Their are still quality/collector grade rifles out there but most are traded collector to collector to fill each ones needs. If you want one or two for shooting or hunting, they are out their with reasonable prices. Otherwise, the ones I see are not collectable with collection prices. I see too many sellers trying to make that one time huge sale with a rifle that isn't worth the prices. The other killer of sales is the seller who knows little about the pre-64, but talks like a expert and spreads dis-information that kills the real deal sales. I don't regret my sale, as they went to great homes, but realistically, the competition with other guns is too much for the current generation. On the upside the Winchester Classic, pre-FN, are receiving good prices for NIB. This! Rare will always be more, but a clean .270 or .30-06 can be had for a great price today. Yep - Have to agree. Truly collectable orininals are still going up. Shooter quality with magnum bolt faces are flat. Other "shooters" are coming down in price.
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I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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Prices go up and down but the quality stays the same. I don't ever remember paying too much for a pre 64 M70.
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