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True, but four 380fmj shooting you in a 2" area all at the same time is a gonna get the job done. It also takes that 2" area and concitrates the entire area into a mess. Ummm... no. If what you advocate were an ideal defense load, we'd all be carrying 3 round balls in our .44 mag casings. The reality is a good HP, LBT, or semi-wadcutter is going to do a far better job and not be hindered by range. Travis
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I never said a 22lr is a better choice, I said it would get the job done. All things being equal with shot placement, a 410 000 buck can kill a deer if close enough, just as a 22lr CAN if you really had to. Shot placement is what kills deer. So will a 9mm and I wouldnt recomend hunting deer with a 9mm. What does hunting large game have to do with a Personal Protection pistol??? Where you are missing the mark is the ability to shoot 45LC or even 45acp right along with the 000buck. The possibilities and choices are there all in one cylinder. You don't have to limit the gun to just one type of ammo. Coyotes close distances, sure. Deer? Who would purposely hunt deer with a 410 out side of a extreme survival situation.????? That said, I would hunt deer with a 22lr if I had to and get the job done every time. Shot placement is what kills deer, not caliber. So they work on coyotes at "close distance" but they are a poor choice for deer and a better choice for deer would be the 22LR but at the same time a .410 fired out of a Governor is a viable defense round? Gotcha. Travis
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I think the carbine version (of the judge anyway) is neat. I like the version where the rounds are tube fed rather than using a cylinder and it has a stock and a 28" twelve gauge barrel and an inertia driven semi-auto action. Those are impractical.
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Where you are missing the mark is the ability to shoot 45LC or even 45acp right along with the 000buck. The possibilities and choices are there all in one cylinder. You don't have to limit the gun to just one type of ammo. I can do the same thing with a regular revolver, though with bigger round balls. So what is the advantage of the shotvolver?
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To shoot 410 ammo if you want to. The 45LC and 45ACP is always a option and the Governor shoots them very accurately. Its a high quality, light weight revolver with tritium sights so its not like you have shoot a 410. Many including myself feel staggering the cylinder with 45lc and 000 buck gives you the greatest option especially not knowing when and how you may have to deploy the gun.. POI with 45LC and with 000 Buck are the same so its easy to open the gun up with a very controlled recoil. Here is a good video of Guns and Ammo testing the bird shot and PDX1 discs. Birdshot is getting 8" of ballistic gel penetration. PDX1 buckshot is getting 14" of ballistic gel penetration.
I think this is the video many want to see.. Guns and Ammo test Where you are missing the mark is the ability to shoot 45LC or even 45acp right along with the 000buck. The possibilities and choices are there all in one cylinder. You don't have to limit the gun to just one type of ammo. I can do the same thing with a regular revolver, though with bigger round balls. So what is the advantage of the shotvolver?
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From the linked article, it looks like those 000 buck pellets really get smooshed into pellets from setback on firing, and penetration suffers.
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Check out this balistic test done by Guns and Ammo Guns and Ammo 410 Ballistic test From the linked article, it looks like those 000 buck pellets really get smooshed into pellets from setback on firing, and penetration suffers.
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The Federal Premium plated 4-pellet 000 went all the way through 10" block.
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This is probably what you want. The elusive 410 penetration tests: Guns and Ammo 410 penetration test in ballistic gel Shooting buckshot with a rifle has zero bearing on the conversation. Shooting gel with the Judge and not measuring penetration or the wound cavity isn't a penetration test. I'm talking about an actual measurable penetration test that we can compare to other rounds and commonly accepted minimum standards for penetration. Not that its my job but.... You're the guy asserting that this is a viable self defense weapon, so yeah....it is your job to verify what you're saying.
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I am telling ya, it obliterated a pigs skull. Penetration of the Federal 000 buck wasn't even a concern of mine after I saw what it did to thick bone. The Federal Premium plated 4-pellet 000 went all the way through 10" block.
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I think the carbine version (of the judge anyway) is neat. I like the version where the rounds are tube fed rather than using a cylinder and it has a stock and a 28" twelve gauge barrel and an inertia driven semi-auto action. Those are impractical. Mine holds thirteen rounds, which is a gagillion busckshots. I win, I win, I win!!!!!
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Thirteen rounds! Nice! Sounds like a serious competition gun. My 870 is 6+1, but bbl is only 18.5" I keep it stoked with 2 3/4" 00 buckshot. Very impractical.....grin
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But of course, I can shoot shotcapsules out of a regular revolver, and practically duplicate 2.5" .410 performance. Since we are putting up videos....check this one out: [video:youtube]wuYInjR3DGg[/video] Here's a pretty cool deal DocRocket posted a few years ago about making shotshells from 444 Marlin brass: 45 Colt "Magnum" Shotshells Soo...there's really nothing a shotvolver does better than a normal revolver, except for being able to use factory .410 ammo. BFD.
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Show me where you are getting a shot shell to penetrate 8" of ballistic gel???? Then there is the 000 buck at 16" of ballistic gel penetration issue.... I've loaded shot shells up for my 44mag. Great for snakes but no where near the level of a 410. But of course, I can shoot shotcapsules out of a regular revolver, and practically duplicate 2.5" .410 performance. Since we are putting up videos....check this one out: [video:youtube]wuYInjR3DGg[/video] Here's a pretty cool deal DocRocket posted a few years ago about making shotshells from 444 Marlin brass: 45 Colt "Magnum" Shotshells Soo...there's really nothing a shotvolver does better than a normal revolver, except for being able to use factory .410 ammo. BFD.
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LOL, mine's a bit more unwieldy than yours. 18.5" with six rounds or 21" with eight rounds is a world handier than my beast. But if I can catch the ninja invaders out in the open, I'll put a world of hurt on em!!!
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Oh yeah, you could repel boarders with that!
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Show me where you are getting a shot shell to penetrate 8" of ballistic gel???? Then there is the 000 buck at 16" of ballistic gel penetration issue.... I've loaded shot shells up for my 44mag. Great for snakes but no where near the level of a 410. But of course, I can shoot shotcapsules out of a regular revolver, and practically duplicate 2.5" .410 performance. Since we are putting up videos....check this one out: [video:youtube]wuYInjR3DGg[/video] Here's a pretty cool deal DocRocket posted a few years ago about making shotshells from 444 Marlin brass: 45 Colt "Magnum" Shotshells Soo...there's really nothing a shotvolver does better than a normal revolver, except for being able to use factory .410 ammo. BFD. JFC you are dense. ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS LOAD THE 45 COLT WITH LARGER SHOT.
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Which is academic anyway, because using a .410 revolver, or a 45 colt loaded with shot, is a stupid and poor self defense weapon.
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Thirteen rounds! Nice! Sounds like a serious competition gun. My 870 is 6+1, but bbl is only 18.5" I keep it stoked with 2 3/4" 00 buckshot. Very impractical.....grin That is frickin' sweet. I don't know what it is about it, because there are tons of configurations of riot gun types out there, but for some reason, that one really takes the cake. I'm not a shotgun guy. All I have are pumps. I've got an old-school 870 bird gun but that almost makes me want to re-configure it that way.
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