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Yes, hard to stop a crazy MF'KR.

Gunner

did you hear that from the guy that shot you in the torso?

, no, he said ggrraaauuuhhhhhhhhhhhh rattle rattle rattle zzzzzzzz.

Being serious though, I don't know what he was thinking or how he managed to get off only one shot, the time it took me to slide my pickup to a stop [taking out a row of mailboxes in the process] and run the drivers side length of the truck at exit and a few more yards over to them had to look like an eternity to him.

It all happened in a blinding flash to me, think I lost part my senses for a moment, dont remember hearing or smelling anything, hence the "hard to stop a crazy mofo" part.

Gunner

Not my quote but I tend to agree.
"When shooting a bad guy, forget about ballistics and guns and ammo entertainers. Consider the bullets from the majority of handguns to be nothing more than a stab with a sharp stick." "If you want rifle performance use a rifle."

Agreed, never felt a thing when that idiot shot me in the chest with a 38 spec, Gramps used to say he wouldn't use anything on a man he wouldn't use on a deer, his picks were 30WCF, 308 30-06 and 12 gauge.

Gunner

Put the bullets where they NEED to go, and don't stop shooting until the threat is neutralized. I prefer the .40 and .45 but have no issue with the 9mm or a .38 +P carry gun, power wise, I don't like the thought of only having 5 shots in a little snubbie.

My old training officer gave me this advice, "If it happens, then shoot like they vote in Old Chicago, early and often."

Yes. I've had this discussion with men routinely on the sharp end of the spear who want to quarrel with me about my 3D anatomic visualization method, and I have to calm them down and tell them exactly this. Gunfighting isn't about being Matt Dillon. It's about getting inside your opponent's OODA loop, and the sooner the better.

Your first priority is to get the best possible quality hits you can, but they must be hits. If you can't get a killing/incapacitating hit right out of the gate, then get the hits you can and then follow up with extreme prejudice. Aggressive closure, as my SA/SF friends say.

www.tacticalanatomy.com

Many of the websites promoting anatomic targeting use my book as a primary source. Some sites have even plagiarized word for word from my book. I'm just sayin'...

First thing, most people don't know where their bullets NEED to go. "Center mass" is a useless term and needs to be discarded. At one of my courses 10+ years ago I asked each one present (28 LE instructors) to write down the definition for "center mass". I got 28 different answers. Basically, for most people it means 'somewhere in the middle'... Like the B27 target, it trains people to shoot too low. Since there is no commonly agreed-upon definition, the term is worse than useless.

My training gives people a hunter's knowledge of anatomy. Agencies that have adopted my training have seen dramatic increase in hit ratio and in successful termination of felonious aggression. One agency went from 20% hit probability to 92% pre- and post-training. In the 3 years after training they shot 37 felons with handguns, 35 of which took permanent dirt-naps.

Knowing where to shoot to stop the threat makes a huge difference.

Second thing: we used to train people "double tap,'then assess." Wrong. Now we train them to keep shooting and follow the felon to the ground.

Very true & should be quite obvious (where to shoot) to most who hunt & shoot much.





Careful, Doc, you might be violating their civil rights.

MM

"Second thing: we used to train people "double tap,'then assess." Wrong. Now we train them to keep shooting and follow the felon to the ground."

The moron who came up with that must have been an IPSC shooter...he should have been double tapped so his teaching went no further.

Sounds like you have it all down Doc...next time I'm in Texas I hope we can get together...

Bob

Upper chest, head, lower abdomen...pretty much in that order. Although I'd vary the head/abdomen if the target was moving. Abdomen would be easier to hit, and you may get lucky and break a pelvis or hip. Much depends on what your adversary presents to you.

Kevin. I don't teach low abdomen... Lateral pelvis is a much better target area. Likewise, I don't teach "head" shots, I teach brainstem shots.

It wasn't IPSC... A LOT of LEA's trained this double tap doctrine. One LE instructor at my class in 2003 said after the class "training my officers to double tap then assess is training them to get killed."

Shooting until you finish the fight hasn't led to any lawsuits that I'm aware of. On the other hand, I know of several officers who fired 10+ shots to finish their fight and are alive because of the last shot.

One guy was asked by his supervisor why he fired 11 rounds. His response: "Sir, 10 shots were not sufficient. A 12th shot was not required."

No, he was too busy listening for someone to shoot...no need for night sights and all that

Pelvis shots are very effective on 2 legged or 4 legged.

I would start at the belt buckle and keep rippin' while recoil and gravity took care of the rest.

Gunner

"Look son, being a good shot, being quick with a pistol, that don't do no harm, but it don't mean much next to being cool-headed. A man who will keep his head and not get rattled under fire, like as not, he'll kill ya. It ain't so easy to shoot a man anyhow, especially if the son-of-a-bitch is shootin' back at you"

Gene Hackman as "Little Bill Daggett" in the movie Unforgiven.

In my opinion, this sums up a great deal about a gunfight.