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What a Maroon!

He is not a maroon. He is correct. Your method, and all others like it, simply has too many variables to be accurate, reliable, and repeatable.
Your claim that SD doesn't matter, proves this.
Its like everything else in the precision shooting world...if it worked, everyone else would be using it...

R.

The numbers on this target, prove you wrong...not right.

R.

some custom shops send a target shot by your rifle, flave sends the empties he drank whilst working on it?

Tight group.

You're clueless on how to read an Audette.

[bleep] hilarious

Explain to me why your 74.5 grain shot is above the 75.5 shot?
Why is the 75 grain shot above the 75.5 shot?
Why isn't the 77 grain shot in the same group 76,76.5 and 77.5?

There is zero precision in your method.

R.

The reason is barrel harmonics.


When the bullet exited the muzzle, the muzzle was pointing higher on the target. This is the ENTIRE reason a shooter who has a [bleep] clue uses the Audette method; to isolate bullet exit times to the period during barrel (muzzle) movement is consistent. That means "all the [bleep] time" for those in Canada.

This node on this target is the most obvious, right-in-your-face, spelled-out-for-rookie-Audette-reading dummies node possible.

The entire area that 76, 76.5, 77, and 77.5 landed is about 2". 3 of the shots actually landed within 1" of each other. AT 600 yards.

That's what is called a "NODE"

If you were to load in the 1 grain area of 74 to 75 grains, you should expect vertical stringing like you see for those 4 shots. About 1 MOA. Unacceptable to me in a long range load

This is why you shoot an Audette.

It's possible to tune one of the loads from 74 to 75 grains to shoot well at 100 yards, but at long range, it will completely SUCK.

100 yard development can fool ya.

Here's the 75 grain load at 100 yards. At long range it had a bunch of vertical stringing....





If you had read the entire thread you would have known this. I posted a chart, link and explanation of what an Audette does and why.

Bullet exit times should be during the upward swing of the barrel, just before it peaks. The Audette isolates those preferred times by showing a bunch of consecutive shots with relatively the same POI

BTW....


Originally Posted By: deflave

There's no reason we can't come together as people and still hate each other

I love that 'flave guy.



Dave

RC...I have tried to remain civil, and I have tried to explain that your method, has far as being precise, is flawed.
I even asked some simple questions, that you haven't answered.
Any twit knows that more powder equals more speed, regardless of harmonics, yet your stupid dumb ladder shows otherwise...
Now you post up a bunch of charts and spew jibberish that you don't even really understand.
I would also say that I know more about barrel harmonics than you can even think of, but certainly not imagine...
Like I said, and that you obviously missed...if this method was the s%&t, then every precision shooter would be using it...they are not.
Try and wise up, and actually have a clue about what you are trying to talk about.

R.

I'm a little concerned about his infatuation with swallowers....

Rman, I'm on nobody's team here because all I do is load zschit up until they shoot good at 500 yards and then go from there, but I think the whole idea that heavier charged rounds won't always hit higher (contrary to conventional knowledge) than more lightly charged rounds is due simply to barrel harmonics, and that's the whole idea of a "node". Lower charged rounds can hit higher on the same POA than higher charged ones for the same reason.

Like I said, no opinion either way because it looks like both ways work just fine, but that's what I've gathered from reading anyways. I could be 100% wrong, which would be okay too.

Tanner

You can be on mine....maybe 'flave too....

Sure more powder equals more speed, but more speed doesn't necessarily mean the shot will land higher on the target if the bullet is exiting the barrel when it happens to be pointing lower on the target due to the timing.





My tummy hurts from laughing in your general direction.

Sweet! IPAs and JD for everybody. When do I get to try out the 338 Edge?

Tanner

I got a bunch loaded, but we're still ass deep to a tall Indian in snow here...

Tuner...first of all, I thought you were on my team...
Second, I'll put my faith in science, physics, intelligence, and experience. I've been doing this a long while. Its physically impossible for a faster bullet to hit lower than a slower one. Looking at Retardmuglia's target, you can work back the deflection required to space shots out like that, and it sure as hell doesn't have anything to do with barrel harmonics.
His theory is very, very, sound, but is execution is more full of holes than his targets.

R.

Mention swallowers and playing on the same team and look who shows up.........