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Re: 250 won't kill deer, unpopular due to bad reputation???? Fireball2 #8659018 03/08/14
Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 114 Western NY State 9 99FEVER OP Campfire Member
OP 99FEVER Campfire Member 9 Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 114 Western NY State	Guy is a dreamer with such a high reserve. Why do people do that? Seems like they don't really want to sell it.

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Re: 250 won't kill deer, unpopular due to bad reputation???? Fireball2 #8659166 03/08/14
Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 13,891 Illinois 1899sav Campfire Outfitter
1899sav Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 13,891 Illinois	Originally Posted by Fireball2 Originally Posted by sqweeler A little more than $1K for this 375.Just wiped factory grease off it. How about this screamer?-Fixed dreamer http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=398337541 Yeap that rifle screams with condition and worth what ever somebody wants to pay, New In the Box, How many left around? Last edited by 1899sav; 03/08/14. �Can we move this along?" a bored voice stated. "I have places to be and people to shag."

Re: 250 won't kill deer, unpopular due to bad reputation???? 1899sav #8659173 03/08/14
Joined: May 2011 Posts: 56,326 Likes: 9 Oregon Fireball2 Campfire Kahuna
Fireball2 Campfire Kahuna Joined: May 2011 Posts: 56,326 Likes: 9 Oregon	Hey, don't go changing my post! I said dreamer not screamer! _______________________________________________________ An 8 dollar driveway boy living in a T-111 shack LOL

Re: 250 won't kill deer, unpopular due to bad reputation???? Fireball2 #8659233 03/08/14
Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 13,891 Illinois 1899sav Campfire Outfitter
1899sav Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 13,891 Illinois	Originally Posted by Fireball2 Hey, don't go changing my post! I said dreamer not screamer! I fixed it! �Can we move this along?" a bored voice stated. "I have places to be and people to shag."

Re: 250 won't kill deer, unpopular due to bad reputation???? 1899sav #8659349 03/08/14
Joined: May 2011 Posts: 56,326 Likes: 9 Oregon Fireball2 Campfire Kahuna
Fireball2 Campfire Kahuna Joined: May 2011 Posts: 56,326 Likes: 9 Oregon	_______________________________________________________ An 8 dollar driveway boy living in a T-111 shack LOL

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Re: 250 won't kill deer, unpopular due to bad reputation???? Fireball2 #8663795 03/09/14
Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 7,702 Likes: 1 BC transplant to n alberta And... norm99 Campfire Outfitter
norm99 Campfire Outfitter Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 7,702 Likes: 1 BC transplant to n alberta And...	back to the 250 , GUESS I should have read the thread before cause I just bought 3 of them and a 22HP am I under gunned If I line them all up to aim at minute of deer and fire all at once will it b DRT norm There is not enough darkness in all the world to put out the light of even one small candle----Robert Alden . If it wern't entertaining, I wouldn't keep coming back.------the BigSky

Re: 250 won't kill deer, unpopular due to bad reputation???? norm99 #8664403 03/10/14
Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 2,627 Base of the thumb. O old70 Campfire Regular
old70 Campfire Regular O Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 2,627 Base of the thumb.	It's a shame that the deer I've killed with a .250 haven't read this thread, if they had, they be alive today. That said, I just picked up a 99a in .250 for my 12 yr old to hunt with this year. Should be a good year.

Re: 250 won't kill deer, unpopular due to bad reputation???? old70 #8664425 03/10/14
Joined: Feb 2013 Posts: 1,731 In my Stomping Grounds Sbrown Campfire Regular
Sbrown Campfire Regular Joined: Feb 2013 Posts: 1,731 In my Stomping Grounds	I was hoping to hunt with my 1920 in 250 this year, guess I'll have to drag out the 300 Sav or 358 Win to make sure they stay dead. Guess the 243 will stay in the safe also. Steve “Alive in JESUS!” NRA LIFE MEMBER

Re: 250 won't kill deer, unpopular due to bad reputation???? Sbrown #8664464 03/10/14
Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 12,628 Lyndeborough New Hampshire Longbeardking Campfire Outfitter
Longbeardking Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 12,628 Lyndeborough New Hampshire	Originally Posted by Sbrown I was hoping to hunt with my 1920 in 250 this year, guess I'll have to drag out the 300 Sav or 358 Win to make sure they stay dead. Guess the 243 will stay in the safe also. Steve First of all. Do NOT choose a 1920 in 250-3000 to kill a deer with. They are just not accurate enough. Second piece of advice is NEVER use a Hornady 87 grain spire point. They are a varmint bullet and will NOT perform on deer size game. NRA Endowment Life Member (and proud of it) Nowadays people know the price of everything and the value of nothing. Wise men speak because they have something to say; fools because they have to say something. - Plato Deuteronomy 22:5

Re: 250 won't kill deer, unpopular due to bad reputation???? Longbeardking #8664479 03/10/14
Joined: Feb 2013 Posts: 1,731 In my Stomping Grounds Sbrown Campfire Regular
Sbrown Campfire Regular Joined: Feb 2013 Posts: 1,731 In my Stomping Grounds	Good point, well taken!! Steve “Alive in JESUS!” NRA LIFE MEMBER

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Re: 250 won't kill deer, unpopular due to bad reputation???? 99FEVER #8664828 03/10/14
Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 4,067 Likes: 1 L.I. N.Y. S sqweeler Campfire Tracker
sqweeler Campfire Tracker S Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 4,067 Likes: 1 L.I. N.Y.	This guy was shot with a 250.Went to take off then I shot him with a 300. [img:center][/img]

Re: 250 won't kill deer, unpopular due to bad reputation???? sqweeler #8664873 03/10/14
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gnoahhh Campfire Ranger G Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 23,118 Likes: 2 Annapolis, Md.	To hear tell around the internet, deer now require at least a .300 magnum, minimum. I don't see how we ever got along with just .250's, .30-30's, .50-110's, and .470 NE's, etc. "You can lead a man to logic, but you cannot make him think." Joe Harz "Always certain, often right." Keith McCafferty

Re: 250 won't kill deer, unpopular due to bad reputation???? 99FEVER #8664893 03/10/14
Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 35,900 B BobinNH Campfire 'Bwana
BobinNH Campfire 'Bwana B Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 35,900	Originally Posted by 99FEVER I ran across this guy doing a google search for ballistics and loads, etc. His site is Terminal Ballistics Research and he writes as if his is the authority on all fact. Here is his comment in regard to the 250-3000 Savage. I had never heard this before. Have any of you? (see his quote below). The .250-3000 became extremely popular for a time, then gradually lost favor. Hunters, not only in the U.S but throughout the world adopted the Savage for its advertised virtues but soon found the cartridge wanting. The lightly constructed 87 grain factory load would sometimes suffer bullet blow up on impact and fail to penetrate the onside muscle and bone of a variety of deer species. Wounding was often both narrow and shallow and game animals would run after being hit with well placed shots. To add to the frustration, many hunters found the light recoiling, fast handling and highly accurate Savage rifle extremely nice to use. Hunters were loathe to part with the Savage rifle but loathe to use the cartridge on deer. Eventually, a 100 grain load was created for the .250 but by this time, the cartridge already had a bad rap. Nevertheless, a small portion of hunters continued to enjoy using the .250 on light bodied game, favoring the light recoil of the .250 combined with the desirable qualities of the Savage 99 rifle. As can be expected, the .250 was a great cartridge for training young hunters and it is in this last role that the .250 Savage has survived through to the present. Once again sounds more like a "bullet" issue than anything to do with the cartridge. I suspect any issues would be resolved by sticking a 100 gr Partition or similar in the 250. Reading some of this is interesting....I recall the first few very early trips to Wyoming where the ranchers "elk rifle" was an ancient and abused 99 Takedown in 250-3000...it had a hunk of tire screwed on as a makeshift recoil pad;no bluing and no stock finish remaining.Iron sights,no scope. I was incredulous...until the elk carcasses started hitting the barn and I recall nights out there with flashlights and a beer, digging 100 gr Silvertips out of elk carcasses. Still not my idea of an elk cartridge(I bought the rancher a 270),but it is amusing when you see someone describe the 250 as a girls cartridge,worthless on a little old deer....that Wyoming cowboy is rawhide tough and has killed more elk and deer with the 250 Savage than many of us have had a chance to hunt. The 280 Remington is overbore. The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.

Re: 250 won't kill deer, unpopular due to bad reputation???? BobinNH #8664937 03/10/14
Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 44,875 Likes: 8 M mathman Campfire 'Bwana
mathman Campfire 'Bwana M Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 44,875 Likes: 8	The 87 grain Speer Hot Cor takes care of business for the 14" twist 250's out there.

Re: 250 won't kill deer, unpopular due to bad reputation???? BobinNH #8664972 03/10/14
Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 43,777 Likes: 1 Eastern Nebraska Calhoun Campfire 'Bwana
Calhoun Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 43,777 Likes: 1 Eastern Nebraska	Bob, for the older 250's, a 100 gr Partition isn't going to solve any problems. I tested it, the suckers are too long and can hit the paper going sideways (1935 99T in 250) at 100 yards or 7"-8" groups (99R/99EG). Now, if you trim them down a bit to be short enough, you end up with a pretty decent 98gr Partition that should shoot just fine for hunting. http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/7215048/1 “The Savage 99 Pocket Reference”. All models and variations of 1895’s, 1899’s and 99’s covered. Also dates, checkering, engraving.. Find at www.savagelevers.com

Re: 250 won't kill deer, unpopular due to bad reputation???? Calhoun #8665172 03/10/14
Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 35,900 B BobinNH Campfire 'Bwana
BobinNH Campfire 'Bwana B Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 35,900	Calhoun I shot them in a Ruger M77...never in a 99. They were fine in the Ruger.So I stand corrected. Why do you suppose those old 100 gr Silvertip factory loads worked. Is that bullet shorter? The 280 Remington is overbore. The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.

Re: 250 won't kill deer, unpopular due to bad reputation???? 99FEVER #8665203 03/10/14
Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 4,067 Likes: 1 L.I. N.Y. S sqweeler Campfire Tracker
sqweeler Campfire Tracker S Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 4,067 Likes: 1 L.I. N.Y.	75gr X did that boy in. [img:center][/img]

Re: 250 won't kill deer, unpopular due to bad reputation???? Calhoun #8665246 03/10/14
Joined: Mar 2014 Posts: 494 East Coast NC 1 1899guy Campfire Member
1899guy Campfire Member 1 Joined: Mar 2014 Posts: 494 East Coast NC	Why not just purchase a 90 grain bullet? Barnes makes one that looks good and has great reviews. Will that work in the 99's with the 14" twist rate?

Re: 250 won't kill deer, unpopular due to bad reputation???? 1899guy #8665262 03/10/14
Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 43,777 Likes: 1 Eastern Nebraska Calhoun Campfire 'Bwana
Calhoun Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 43,777 Likes: 1 Eastern Nebraska	Bob, the 100gr factory loads do feature a shorter bullet than most. Works well enough in most older rifles. 1899guy, the Barnes 90gr bullet I believe is still too long to stabilize in a 1 in 14" twist 250-3000. It's not the weight, it's the length - and the monometal bullets tend to run longer than the copper/lead bullets. “The Savage 99 Pocket Reference”. All models and variations of 1895’s, 1899’s and 99’s covered. Also dates, checkering, engraving.. Find at www.savagelevers.com

Re: 250 won't kill deer, unpopular due to bad reputation???? BobinNH #8665555 03/10/14
Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 10,653 Badger State roundoak Campfire Outfitter
roundoak Campfire Outfitter Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 10,653 Badger State	Originally Posted by BobinNH Originally Posted by 99FEVER I ran across this guy doing a google search for ballistics and loads, etc. His site is Terminal Ballistics Research and he writes as if his is the authority on all fact. Here is his comment in regard to the 250-3000 Savage. I had never heard this before. Have any of you? (see his quote below). The .250-3000 became extremely popular for a time, then gradually lost favor. Hunters, not only in the U.S but throughout the world adopted the Savage for its advertised virtues but soon found the cartridge wanting. The lightly constructed 87 grain factory load would sometimes suffer bullet blow up on impact and fail to penetrate the onside muscle and bone of a variety of deer species. Wounding was often both narrow and shallow and game animals would run after being hit with well placed shots. To add to the frustration, many hunters found the light recoiling, fast handling and highly accurate Savage rifle extremely nice to use. Hunters were loathe to part with the Savage rifle but loathe to use the cartridge on deer. Eventually, a 100 grain load was created for the .250 but by this time, the cartridge already had a bad rap. Nevertheless, a small portion of hunters continued to enjoy using the .250 on light bodied game, favoring the light recoil of the .250 combined with the desirable qualities of the Savage 99 rifle. As can be expected, the .250 was a great cartridge for training young hunters and it is in this last role that the .250 Savage has survived through to the present. Once again sounds more like a "bullet" issue than anything to do with the cartridge. I suspect any issues would be resolved by sticking a 100 gr Partition or similar in the 250. This would work if the 250 Savage has a 1-10 " ROT. If in a 1-14" ROT a 100 grain Partition is too long and so are most of the .257 caliber 100 grains I have tried. Old style Partition is 1.05 inches and new style is 1.035 inches. Some of the 1-14" ROT 99s I have loaded for will handle the old Speer 100 grain spitzers at .937 inches and Speer HotCor 100 grain at .940 inches. You're Welcome At My Fire Anytime

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