I think that if you put your thumb over the outlet for an explosion it's gonna get hurt. That's no secret.
I also think that ignoring an "accurate and more secure grip" because you're worried about the possibility of a finger injury in a gunfight that has gone so bad that I'm grabbing unknown guns off of fallen comrades, is ludicrous.
The "battlefield pickup" scenario for civilians is, to me, the epitomy of mental masturbation. The proponents of that scenario consistently fail to acknowledge the astronomically slim chances it would ever occur and I've taken to ignoring most anything else they say, as it's honestly very hard for me to take their ability to think critically very seriously at all.
I dont think that Battle field Pickup is all there is to it, Many have both revolver and semi-auto handguns. In fact many carry both at the same time. I think that even saying that both thumbs forward is a more secure grip is a stretch even though many gamesmen say so. I take it by the way that you say you cant "wait till you are old and famous then you can say stuff that doesn,t make sense and people will eat it up" that you are young. And who would have thought that you would aspire to be famous ,what with the Tom Cruise Avatar and all.! Anyway just because someone older with more experience than you has a different take on how to hold a handgun doesn,t mean that they are not thinking critically. Perhaps ,just maybe,naw no way it might be you that are not thinking critically ? LOL
I already am old. I just can't wait until I'm old and famous.
I didn't say it was more secure. Sheriff Jim Wilson did, so you can take that to the bank. Don't doubt or question anything he says, he's older and has more experience.....remember?
I don't know who Tom Cruise is, but don't make fun of the way I look in my avatar. It's not nice.
You will never find a shortage of people who tell you you're doing something/everything wrong on the internet. I used to try following the "experts", and it made things worse. If what you're doing works to your satisfaction, then by all means do it that way as long as it's safe. Many, many guns have provision for the "finger forward" grip, so it's not just a flash in the pan.
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I think that if you put your thumb over the outlet for an explosion it's gonna get hurt. That's no secret.
I also think that ignoring an "accurate and more secure grip" because you're worried about the possibility of a finger injury in a gunfight that has gone so bad that I'm grabbing unknown guns off of fallen comrades, is ludicrous.
The "battlefield pickup" scenario for civilians is, to me, the epitomy of mental masturbation. The proponents of that scenario consistently fail to acknowledge the astronomically slim chances it would ever occur and I've taken to ignoring most anything else they say, as it's honestly very hard for me to take their ability to think critically very seriously at all.
I didn't post the video up, for the concept of battle field pick up, I brought it up in regards to muscle memory, many of us shoot alot of revolvers along with a hand full of semi's and need to keep a grip which is versatile.
I prefer the left finger on the front of the trigger guard for a few reasons.
My left elbow feels stressed with the forward wrist "cam" that Brian Enos describes in his book. I have tried that grip on and off for 20 years and it has never worked for my physiology.
When shooting heavy recoiling revolvers the left index finger helps keep the muzzle down.
Here is an interesting video showing the grip Jerry Miculek is currently using.
It seems the majority of shooters are well suited to the finger under trigger guard but as Jerry recently switched to a finger in front style it does give food for thought.
Battle field pick up scenarios are just a bonus.
As a side note Ross S was the only guy I ever saw that could shoot a 1911 well and used a crossed thumb style. He disengaged the thumb safety right when he gripped the pistol and during the draw dropped the right thumb off the safety and crossed it with his left thumb.
Crossed thumbs is also a byproduct of heavy recoil as it is pretty hard to keep your hands together if the handgun has a lot of recoil velocity without locking the thumbs.
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John how would the left finger help keep a muzzle down on a heavy recoiling revolver? I am looking at my Bisley now and with the curved front I cannot imagine my finger even staying on the trigger guard, let alone helping with recoil.
I can also see some merit with a bowed and checkered triggerguard like a Glock but I run lights anyway so it becomes a moot point.
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With a heavy recoiling gun, it's doubtful the finger forward would remain in place. with a semi-auto, it's different. I've used both styles. Neither seems to offer a significant advantage over the other that can be measured by the human eye in normal time.
With my heavy recoiling revolvers, my off hand is merely there for support. I don't even try to make a concerted effort to keep the support hand in contact with the shooting hand during recoil. I let the hand holding the gun jump. The other hand can go along for the ride if it wants to.
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I prefer the left finger on the front of the trigger guard for a few reasons.
My left elbow feels stressed with the forward wrist "cam" that Brian Enos describes in his book. I have tried that grip on and off for 20 years and it has never worked for my physiology.
When shooting heavy recoiling revolvers the left index finger helps keep the muzzle down.
Here is an interesting video showing the grip Jerry Miculek is currently using.
It seems the majority of shooters are well suited to the finger under trigger guard but as Jerry recently switched to a finger in front style it does give food for thought.
Battle field pick up scenarios are just a bonus.
As a side note Ross S was the only guy I ever saw that could shoot a 1911 well and used a crossed thumb style. He disengaged the thumb safety right when he gripped the pistol and during the draw dropped the right thumb off the safety and crossed it with his left thumb.
Crossed thumbs is also a byproduct of heavy recoil as it is pretty hard to keep your hands together if the handgun has a lot of recoil velocity without locking the thumbs.
Interesting.
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