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Have a 375 Ruger Guide Gun with a 20" barrel. Thinking about loading some 300gr. Swift A-Frame bullets for elk hunting. Wondering if this bullet will be too stiff and will expand? Shots will be more likely 100yds. and under with longer shots at 300yds. in clear cuts. I am capring elk to a large Kudu or smaller game. What is your experience with Swift A-Framrs in 375 caliber?
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Swift A-Frames don't hold together because they're "stiff." Instead they hold together because the front core (which is pure lead, an hence pretty soft) is bonded to the jacket, and the jacket has a partition between the front and rear cores to stop expansion. Consequently they'll expand just fine at the slightly lower velocities from your 20" barrel.
This is also true of other lead-core bullets, whether Nosler Partitions, North Forks, Trophy Bondeds, etc. etc.
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Thanks. There is so many bullets kind out there, hard to make mind which bullt to use.
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L-R: Zebra 125 yards, Eland 175, Wildebeest 65 yards (las bullet's a 180gr POS Hornady that came apart on an impala out of a 300 Weatherby at 80 yards, yes it did kill it).
A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
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L-R: Zebra 125 yards, Eland 175, Wildebeest 65 yards (las bullet's a 180gr POS Hornady that came apart on an impala out of a 300 Weatherby at 80 yards, yes it did kill it). The Swifts look picture perfect.
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They are very good bullets. I have to say however, I've switched almost exclusively to the T/TTSXs, but I have a large supply of Swifts in 375 and 416 so I will continue to use them. j
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300g .375 caliber A-Frame (factory Remington ammo) at 13 yards on a brown bear. They work up close too!
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L-R: Zebra 125 yards, Eland 175, Wildebeest 65 yards (las bullet's a 180gr POS Hornady that came apart on an impala out of a 300 Weatherby at 80 yards, yes it did kill it). Jorge, Can't you just hear Joyce Hornady asking her patented question regarding bullet performance : At what point, in the killing of the animal blah, blah, blah, you know how it goes. I agree with your "POS" description of their bullets.
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Yep, hear that line all the time and my response is this; yeah it hammered that 120 pound impala like the Hammer Of Thor, but what if it had been a one ton eland's shoulder?
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L-R: Zebra 125 yards, Eland 175, Wildebeest 65 yards (las bullet's a 180gr POS Hornady that came apart on an impala out of a 300 Weatherby at 80 yards, yes it did kill it). Jorge, Can't you just hear Joyce Hornady asking her patented question regarding bullet performance : At what point, in the killing of the animal blah, blah, blah, you know how it goes. I agree with your "POS" description of their bullets. In the late 60s throughout the 70s in Montana, I had very little money. Yet I still handloaded 150g Partitions for big game in my 270 using a Lee Loader. I shot 90g Sierra HPs for marmots, crows and practice. Even when my total hunting cost was a resident big license for $35 (included one black bear, one elk, two deer, and one antelope) and gas for my pickup truck, shooting Partitions made sense to me at least. If I hadn't been able to shoot Noslers, I would've shot CoreLokts, Speer Hot Cores or Sierra GameKings back then. Hornady didn't even make the list.
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I thought Joyce Hornady was a "him" and not a "her." Wow, learn something new every day!!!
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300g .375 caliber A-Frame (factory Remington ammo) at 13 yards on a brown bear. They work up close too! Was that out of a 375 H&H or 375 Ultra mag?
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I'd take Hornadys over Hot Cor, Core Lockts and especially Sierras ANY DAY. Hornadys are fine bullets, just as long as you keep them below 2800 fps or so, and even then there are some, like the 100gr .25 that seems exceptionally hard. I use them out of my 257 Weatherby with great results.
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Out of a 375 Weatherby, but it was factory 375 H&H Remington "Safari" ammo. My rifle was an XCR II that had a little work done on it.
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I've had good success with AFrames in both my 338and my 416. I've only recovered one bullet but judging from the wound channels they did their job. The 416 dropped a large wounded black bear at about 25 feet, again judging from the wound channel it expanded well. The one I did recover was a 275 grain Swift AFrame. I put it through a grizzly and recovered it on the far side of the shoulder just under the skin. It retained 269 grains of it's original weight. It expanded in a very similar fashion to the pictures Jorge showed. I really like these bullets.
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Awesome bullets. Wife uses the 120 A-Frame in the 25-06. Excellent bullet from deer to elk.
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