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The liberals are gathering... Personal responsibility is conservative. Bundy is a welfare queen that got pissed because they took away his free money. He got upset because they took his livelihood and rights to ranch land they had done so with since 1877.
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Yeah, but he never owned the land. Maybe they should have put some forethought into the venture.
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You post a wiki link that details the CIVIL case on the thing when you said he was "Charged and Convicted" of something, and suddenly I have nothing of substance? Because I asked you to show me in black and white where he was charged with or convicted of criminal offenses in that article?
Tell you what...
I'll make a retraction and apologize to you if you can simply show me in that link you posted where Bundy was charged with or convicted of something criminal.
tick-tock.
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Yeah, but he never owned the land. Maybe they should have put some forethought into the venture. Nobody ever said he owned the land. He did own the permit/allotment to graze cattle on 600,00 acres of it though, and does own the water rights to it, and does own the homestead in conjunction with the above. No problems for 140 years. I wonder how much more "forethought" a person would need?
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And he's cited nothing at all Does the source change the facts? Read the court order that says "UNLAWFUL tresspassing" Then show a source that says tresspassing is a "civil" offense
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And he's cited nothing at all Does the source change the facts? Read the court order that says "UNLAWFUL tresspassing" Then show a source that says tresspassing is a "civil" offense You are right. I feel bad that I engaged an unarmed man with a battle of wits.
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Yeah, but he never owned the land. Maybe they should have put some forethought into the venture. Nobody ever said he owned the land. He did own the permit/allotment to graze cattle on 600,00 acres of it though, and does own the water rights to it, and does own the homestead in conjunction with the above. No problems for 140 years. I wonder how much more "forethought" a person would need? Exactly the point of the discontent, it takes a lot of acres to graze 500 cows in the desert. Without the grazing rights he can't use his water rights and those go away without reimbursement also. It's as simple as the government taking 3/4 of your stuff because they pass a law making it legal. It's theft by the government, pure and simple. Bundy's not a constitutional lawyer, just a little guy getting stomped on.
"Life is tough, even tougher if your stupid" John Wayne
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Find out what was really driving the concern about the tortoises and the mitigation and the Chinese solar farm, then let the cows run over Harry Reid.
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It's a complicated mess but what's a fair way to settle the issue?
Does Bundy get to decide what's fair? Why not? He decided he is the poster boy for everything wrong with government. The country's need to rid the country of it's present administration has shown some desperate attempts at creating heroes.
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My point is, that as a renter you are vulnerable to the whims of the landowner, period.
Yeah, it sux to be him, but he's not the nearly the martyr that people want to make him out to be. He quit paying 20 years ago, so how much money did he fleece off the taxpayer during that time?
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He quit paying 20 years ago, so how much money did he fleece off the taxpayer during that time? None,...but old man Rothschild came up a bit short.
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How much money have the turtle herders fleeced off he taxpayers?
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He quit paying 20 years ago, so how much money did he fleece off the taxpayer during that time? None,...but old man Rothchild came up a bit short. Are you for any law on public land? No holds barred or what?
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My point is, that as a renter you are vulnerable to the whims of the landowner, period.
Yeah, it sux to be him, but he's not the nearly the martyr that people want to make him out to be. He quit paying 20 years ago, so how much money did he fleece off the taxpayer during that time? You are worried about taxpayer dollars? So, with the fines along with interests and penalties he MAY owe close to a million dollars? (Which he said he will pay to Nevada, and not BLM.) Here comes BLM and spends over $3 million on a failed roundup.
That was tax dollars, BTW...But, suppose Bundy had just taken his ball and gone home 20 years ago. How much money or fees would have been paid by the desert tortoise, or the environmental terrorist group that wanted the land for it exclusively?Cry me a river about tax dollars being the issue here.
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There is no public land.
In fact,...there's no private land either.
The government owns it all.
Quit paying your property taxes and you'll find out.
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There is no public land.
In fact,...there's no private land either.
The government owns it all.
Quit paying your property taxes and you'll find out. There is way more to that statement than most people realize.
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Here comes BLM and spends over $3 million on a failed roundup.
That was tax dollars, BTW... Yeah, they should charge his sorry ass for that too. He caused it.
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Actually I OWN land that isn't taxed.
Alaska is a bit different than many states.
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