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Very nice. I always thought a full stock 358W would be the perfect combo.
Too Remington wouldn't do the Custom Shop MS in 358.
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A Sako mannlicher is a nice carbine, as was the Model 70 Custom "Ultra Light" Mannlicher 19" bbl. Scott - yes the 6.8-08 would def be flatter and lethal
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There's just something about slipping through the heavy timber for elk with a .358 Win and a stout 225gr up the spout...
I think it's called confidence :-)
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There's just something about slipping through the heavy timber for elk with a .358 Win and a stout 225gr up the spout... How 'bout a 250 for stout?
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Dat'il do it ! I see more bullets on your bench than we have at Sportsman Warehouse !
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A 358 would definitely not be my first choice for 600 yard shots. Not even on the list. If I were bent on a long range 35 caliber, it would be a 358 Norma or something similar. I also would not be shooting a 225gr bullet. Not enough BC or SD to carry enough FPE out to 600 yards. It would have to start at 250gr minimum, and more would be better, and have a long boattail and ogive - a "VLD" profile.
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I see more bullets on your bench than we have at Sportsman Warehouse ! Strange times we live in. Some stuff is quite hard to find. My thing is that I never buy one-of-anything and have a pretty good stash down there. 24lbs of Varget on hand and currently only use it in my 375. Gonna try it in the 358 with some RE15.
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Here's a little more detail:
95% of my hunting will be from the hill country west here in Texas. Shots range from >100 yards to over 600. Most of this hunting is from box blinds or taking a seat on the ground. The primary goal of this rifle is a solid 300 yd (or better with practice) rifle that will hold it's umph out to those ranges. Game will primarily be whitetail and axis with a possibility of an Addax. Out of state hunting will SE NM for mule deer and Idaho/Wyoming for elk and mule deer. Thinking of either the 220 grain or the 225 grain Sierra's or Nosler partitions A 225 NP at 2,600 (TAC) is a 400+ yard cartridge. Skip the SE NM for mule deer. That state's deer herd is really, really, bad -
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I'm thinking the newer, long ogive bullets, like the 225 AB and 250gr stuff are about all a short action magazine can handle. Seating longer in a longer action might do better with those, but I haven't put any of my longer pills together to check yet. I'm no expert, but have always thought actions length was about all that kept a 358 off of the Whelen, not so much the case itself.
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An optimum woods rifle is what the .358 Winchester is. Chamber it in a short action rifle that's handy to carry and shoot and it's optimum for tough shots in the forest. The two rifles at the bottom of the picture are .358's.
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I'm thinking that the 225's are really the best medicine in the short action .358's. They utilize the powder space and mag wells efficiently, while keeping speed up. Properly constructed 225's will do everything necessary - once the bullet exits the game animal, I don't care what it weighs....
Off hand I can think of 6 elk killed with that rifle, 2 with the Sierra and 4 with Noslers. All the Noslers exited and went bye, bye. Both Sierra bullets were stopped - one in the spine and another in that old cows shoulder.
Lets face it. If you want (need?) to shoot past 300 yards, the .358 isn't the best option out there. You don't need one to kill a deer either, but that's hardly the point.
If the OP wants one, he should make one up. Brass is cheap and simple to make. It's an easy cartridge to load for and a ball to shoot!
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I'm thinking the newer, long ogive bullets, like the 225 AB and 250gr stuff are about all a short action magazine can handle. Seating longer in a longer action might do better with those, but I haven't put any of my longer pills together to check yet. I'm no expert, but have always thought actions length was about all that kept a 358 off of the Whelen, not so much the case itself. The AB's are to long for a BLR mag unless you load it down to fit the bullet further into the case, I have a heap of 250 gr partitions that are to long as well and will be saved for a future .35 Whelen
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I'm thinking that the 225's are really the best medicine in the short action .358's. They utilize the powder space and mag wells efficiently, while keeping speed up. Properly constructed 225's will do everything necessary I would agree with that. My stash of 250s are left over from a couple 35Whelens and a 358NM. I'm gonna shoot em up in the 358W and see how they work.
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I'll have to ask Bellm, or measure the throat in my .358 Encore barrel, to see how far out I can seat those 225 ABs. That's one application where the 358 is better than the Whelen AND COL isn't critical for mags.
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I'm thinking that the 225's are really the best medicine in the short action .358's. They utilize the powder space and mag wells efficiently, while keeping speed up. Properly constructed 225's will do everything necessary I would agree with that. My stash of 250s are left over from a couple 35Whelens and a 358NM. I'm gonna shoot em up in the 358W and see how they work. Careful where you point that thing.... It's gonna kill stuff !
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My Sako .358 has a 20" and it's just a bit muzzle light Interesting rifle .... Any more pics or info? Paul Early 60's issue. Originally in .243 win, I had it rebored to the .358. Another view. It's got a few elk to it's credit. I'm not usually a huge fan of manllicher style rifles, but that is a good lookin rig. Congrats.
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Not all full stocked rifles look good. Some look "butt heavy" or just stubby all around. I love the old Brno F series from the 40's and 50's. Ruger's 77 RSI is another that I like - but the barrel is too short for me... I read way too much of Wooters writings when I was a kid. I drooled over his Sako carbine in .308 and decided that I needed one too. I found mine at a gun show and got a good deal. My boys shot a couple of deer with it as a .243, then I had it rebored to .358 as a dedicated elk rifle. This is another cow elk, taken with a single 225 Nosler. And thanks for the compliment.
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That's a beautiful rifle! Rifles laying over dead elk always make great pictures!
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Beautiful animals and rifles!
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