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Planning on spending time in AK this fall
Would like a long arm for protection
Am thinking of 2 ideas
1- a Remington 7600 35 whelen with 280 aframes at around 2100
2- a browning BPS 3 in 12 ga with Dixie slugs ( 660 gr hard cast at 1200
Under 50 yards both make big bore handguns look weak
The browning pump would / could be used at skeet
I am more of a bird hunter nowadays
Already use a pump 16 ga for birds
So 7600 or BPS
The Dixie's slug has already been used to hunt brown bear with good results
Have a white tail gun
Am slow at using a bolt
Can shoot doubles at skeet and sporting clays
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Can shoot doubles with a pump
Is what I meant to say
Not planning on a bear attacking me.
But use a seatbelt in my van
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Have used a 45-70 before
But am better with pumps.
What I would like is thoughts on the two options I asked about.
The Browning becomes a 12 bore rifle after it gets a slug barrel.used a 7600 on deer for awhile.
Over the summer the Browning would shot 100's of times at clays and skeet.
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You might repost this in the Alaska forum and see what the local talent carries when they go fishing.
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I'd go with an 11-87 that had been worked over, with a tactical bolt handle on it or better yet, a Benelli. A shotgun requires an 18in bbl without an ATF tax stamp. A rifle can be 16in.
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I just never realized the fish in Alaska were so dangerous. I mean, I can see if you were stuck on an ice floe and being stalked by a herd of Orcas, but just regular fishing... ?
Gunnery, gunnery, gunnery.
Hit the target, all else is twaddle!
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I just never realized the fish in Alaska were so dangerous. I mean, I can see if you were stuck on an ice floe and being stalked by a herd of Orcas, but just regular fishing... ? It ain't the fish, it's the visitor that is convinced you just landed dinner for him/her...which can happen about anywhere in Alaska. On a budget, a pump with an 18 inch barrel is common, the semi-auto is less so.
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I just never realized the fish in Alaska were so dangerous. I mean, I can see if you were stuck on an ice floe and being stalked by a herd of Orcas, but just regular fishing... ? There are ANCIENT, well-worn paths that bears use to converge on streams starting about a few weeks from now. They show up in numbers about the same time the fishermen do.
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Tongue in cheek is just lost on this place. But that's okay, it's no fun if you make it too obvious... 
Gunnery, gunnery, gunnery.
Hit the target, all else is twaddle!
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The foot in mouth posts that follow the tongue in cheek posts are what make threads so good....
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Whichever is shorter, lighter; I prefer 20" barrels (or less) on a gun that I intend to carry but not shoot. Cumbersome somehow isn't handy when the need arises; (too easy to walk away from that which becomes a nuisance.) The package is more important than the quantity of lead or powder IMO.
Sometimes, the air you 'let in'matters less than the air you 'let out'.
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Best thing you can carry is between your ears.
Next best thing for fishing (IMO) would be a DA revolver, in say 44 mag (minimum) with 320 grain hardcast bullets loaded with stout amounts of W296. Buffalo Bore makes some 340 gr +P ammo that will get your attention in a 44 mag. Mine has a long barrel, but for fishing, I wish it had a 4 or 5" bbl.
I know your asking about long guns, but IMO a long gun is not going to be too convenient to carry around if your fishing...and in the unlikely event that you have to shoot at a bear, it ought to be well within 20 yards.
If you shoot a bear in self defense that is 50 yards from you, you gonna have some splainin' to do Lucy.
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When in doubt, throw some fish at the bear and get the hell out of there. It's a lot easier than shooting the bear. But the Remington 7600 in .35 Whelen is a decent choice, just keep the pressures on the low side for ultimate reliability in severe conditions. I would prefer the sectional density of a rifle bullet over a shotgun slug every day. Shotgun slugs on dangerous game in Africa are well proven failures; stick to the rifle.
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Best thing you can carry is between your ears.
Next best thing for fishing (IMO) would be a DA revolver, in say 44 mag (minimum) with 320 grain hardcast bullets loaded with stout amounts of W296. Buffalo Bore makes some 340 gr +P ammo that will get your attention in a 44 mag. Mine has a long barrel, but for fishing, I wish it had a 4 or 5" bbl.
I know your asking about long guns, but IMO a long gun is not going to be too convenient to carry around if your fishing...and in the unlikely event that you have to shoot at a bear, it ought to be well within 20 yards.
If you shoot a bear in self defense that is 50 yards from you, you gonna have some splainin' to do Lucy. +1 A rifle will be worthless if it's leaning against a tree 20yds away. A DA revolver with an easy to wear holster is the way to go. Whatever you give up in power you more than make up for in convienence.
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TC1 & Pittu
Please take the 44 mag of your choice, and try to unload all six shots at a dinner plate at say 7 yards, as fast as possible. Come back when you realize the logistics of a bear attack and rapid double action 44 mag fire don't work out too well.
Give me a glock and hold the fluff.
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Maybe your 'bama bears are a bit different than ours. Feel free to empty your glock into a brown bear and report back. (  ) I never plan on getting 6 shots into a bear in a SHTF situation. Neither should you if you visit AK. Something to be said for using what you shoot well. If that is a glock than it's better than a sharp stick I suppose. The main point I make is that our highly evolved brains should be the first line of defense making a firearm a welcome yet distant backup.
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Sling for carry
Unloading 2 454 rounds and not hitting anything is not helpful.
Can handle recoil in a long gun.
I will be hiking around also.
Camping.
The 4 years ,I was up there every one I knew carried guns.
Short barrel is about all I can do, to make it handy.
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In that case, I'd carry the 35 (or the slug gun) and not give it too much thought.
Have a great trip. Starting out to be a great summer weather-wise. The fishing may leave something to be desired depending on where you'll be.
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You don't need some shotgun that's been built for tactical operations, that's just ludicrous. If you're that worried about bears, take a short barreled hunting rifle in 30-06 or bigger that you can shoot well, slung over your shoulder.
I carry my Marlin 1895 XLR in 45-70 with a ghost ring peep and front firesight, loaded with Garrett 420gr +p Hammerheads. I also use it for hunting bear and moose.
That's ok, I'll ass shoot a dink.
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