Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Ask The Gunwriters What's Petzals beef with the 7mm RM?

Split the difference and get a 280. Thread over.

16bore,

Evidently after 4 years and almost 4000 posts you haven't learned anything about the Campfire!

These threads are always funny. Like picking fly sch!t from the pepper flakes! 270Win/7RM, out to 400 yards, yeah, the 'average' shooter will never see it.

Petzal just loves to piss people off. Like the letter to him last year asking if he should sell his dad/uncles old Model 70 and get a new M788 or Ruger American, because the new ones are so much more accurate. He said sell it and people freaked out.

Yeah, Dave really likes to yank people's chains. He does it in person too, and so deadpan they can't tell when he's serious, and when he isn't.

He would fit in quite well here, in that case.

Plus one, MD. "Why do fish get caught? Because they take the bait!"!

You could always load 120's mild for practice and a lightened 700LA/Mickey with a #2 or fluted #3 and that would serve nicely for woods whitetails and be able to be fired enough for solid manipulations/skills from field positions.

Then hot load 140's or heavier for longer range hunting. A 280 had a lot going for it.

Except that you could do the same thing in a 270 with 110's and 140's....

The 270 also has the light bullets designed for the 6.8 SPC. An 85 grain TSX going 3800 fps turns the 270 into a really neat point and shoot cartridge. It can also be loaded down somewhat to simulate 243 loads, making an easy shooting round for the recoil sensitive.

The 270 has a lot going; the array of new bullets means it's only getting better with age.

Throw in a 100 to 110g Accubond at zippy speeds 3400-3600fps and you may well have one of the sweetest fallow/whitetail packages for sub-400 shooting that would serve recoil sensitive shooters well.

The 270 doesn't lose out much to the 7mm cartridges as far as versatility goes. Yes there's more product at the heavy bullet end for the 7mm and no doubt many more VLD types for the .284 as well. But the 270 might just be a better choice for the person who wants a light recoiling rifle shooting quality light bullets.

Exactly correct!

The way I look at it, if more bullet than what a 270 provides is needed, or more powder is needed to get it there, I want a lot more. As in a 338 or 375. I don't like a deer rifle that I need to hold with a death grip in order to shoot it well. A 270 can be built in a 7-8 lb. all up (with scope, mounts, ammo and sling) rifle, and remain easy to shoot. The same cannot be said, at least for me, with cartridges generating much more recoil in a similar weight rifle.

.260

Will someone please sell me some .284 160g accubonds?

You can make a 260 smell a lot like a 270, and a 270 a lot like a 7RM...

And a 7mm RM like a .300 Winchester Magnum, and a .300 Winchester like a .338 Winchester Magnum.

But you can't make a 9,3x62 or .375 H&H act much like a .260.

Or chicken salad outta chicken chit....

The 7mm Remington Magnum was suggested by a hunting guide and rifleman who found that any recoil greater than what a 7mm RM produces was just a little too much for good shooting.

That's why it caught on and is popular.
Les Bowman, a Wyoming big game guide who had helped develop the cartridge, praised it. In short order Remington's belted 7mm was far more popular than the others.

Creeping incrementalism fails when you do it backwards..


I figure this conversation is over 50 years old. Back in the 60's, Warren Page did an article for F&S entitled "The Perfect Mule Deer Cartridge", or something like that. Of course Page was one of the people responsible for popularizing the 7mm Magnums as BG cartridges,so it was sort of funny that his choice, especially for Joe Average, was the 270 Winchester.

Among other reasons,he regarded the 7mm magnums as big game cartridges,their power and long range capabilities being superfluous for little old deer,and as much over matched for most shooters as they were for a 300 pound animal.

Of course Page only hunted the world with a 7mm magnum and about everything here as well....so what the hell did he know?

If you read some of what he wrote, he also said he saw more one shot kills with the 243, then any of the magnums. he said people just shot them better.

I haven't read through all of this but I'd like to make sure of one thing in case I missed it. If a drill the shoulders of something furry with a good bullet, do they still die?