Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Ask The Gunwriters What's Petzals beef with the 7mm RM?

Exactly. And it also depends on various physical factors, which don't always depend on condition or age, but injuries or simple joint pain.

Somebody once put said, "Recoil is only temporary, but gravity is constant." They were right, but also wrong: For some people recoil is just as constant as gravity. And if they don't recognize that fact, then the accuracy, ballistic coefficient and "killing power" that's been pounded into cyberspace dirt here don't matter.

Well said.

There are weekly meetings at the local church for "On and on and on". Sometimes the first member to speak shuts up after a few hours and another gets to talk.

No one was arguing the effects of recoil....and how humans are different or gravity.

I was pointing out that RCamuglia's statement that weight concerns shouldn't prevent an individual who can shoot a magnum from owning one is correct.

I think Rem. 7MM Magnum sales have already answered the question on whether or not the cartridge generates too much recoil for the average shooter.

They're are certainly some that will loosen teeth and will affect almost everyone if shot enough.

Got it at Doc's Gun Barn in Pocatello, ID for $175 NIB.
Just shot sub MOA groups with it last week with 168 gr LRABs and 180 gr Berger Hybrids.

The original recoil pad on my M700 ADL in 7 mm Rem Mag was a "Remington" until I took it off and on the bottom it said Pachmayer "Whiteline" on it. The rubber got old and it was hard as a rock. I jury rigged an xtra Limbsaver pad I had laying around to it for recoil testing. Major change in lowering perceived recoil. Should have done it years ago. Previously replaced the one on my M70 338 and a ss M700 300 Win Mag also. No weight gain but a lot easyer to shoot well and more comfortable to boot. MM

Cool!

The 308 is similar to the 06 with 150 grain bullets.
The 7mm-08 is similar to the 7mm RM with 120 grain bullets etc. etc. blaah blaah blaah

I use the larger cases for heavier bullets. Thus if I were to shoot a Grizzly, which would I shoot a 7mm-08 or a 7mm RM? Hmmm... I'd look more at what shoots the proper bullet the best. That is I'd likely look at a heavier bullet and also a premium bullet if I were stuck with using a 7mm. And yes I'd use the 7mm RM over the 270 or the 7mm-08. If I were to go out and shoot a doe or whitetail buck, I'd shoot either. Further, I've never noticed recoil when hunting.
However, I have an ultra-light 350 RM that I learned to hold differently than my other rifles and thought I'd have a permenant scarr over my right eye.

I know of some guy....

There probably wouldn't be any difference between the two, with the same bullet, at 50yd and under. The 7/08 just might out-perform the magnum. African hunters figured out many decades ago that about 2400fps gave optimal bullet performance and penetration.

A comment saying that recoil doesn't matter is simply asinine.
Recoil and noise are the greatest enemies of accurate shooting.

And more shooting isn't always the "cure" for recoil sensitivity. In fact, it often causes it, even in smaller rounds.

I'm not exactly recoil sensitive, but maybe a dozen years ago went on an industry prairie dog shoot partly sponsored by a rifle company. The rifle they had us all shoot was actually designed for predator shooting, a .22-250 weighing maybe 8-1/2 pounds with scope. We got organized and out in the field by about 10 that morning, and over the rest of the day and part of the next morning I shot over 600 rounds. (I know this because I keep track of how much shooting I do on such deals by putting my empties in a duffel bag, partly because the sponsors normally let gun writers take their brass home.)

At around 9:00 of the second day I realized the .22-250 was starting to feel an awful lot like a .375 H&H every time it went off. I tried to concentrate through it, but finally realized I was toast. Luckily, the company also brought along some .22 rimfire rifles, and when I switched to one the flinch went away within a few minutes.

But it taught me an interesting lesson. Every year I shoot something of at least the recoil of a .300 Winchester Magnum around 75-100 rounds in one sitting, to test either scopes or the rifle itself. Most years I do it several times. I can do that without flinching, though am glad to get the damn job over with. But 600 rounds with a relatively light .22-250 whipped me.

i dont like starting young shooters with rounds like the 22-250....not cause they recoil to much for a few practice rounds but cause the muzzle blast is high enough it can cause a new shooter to flinch even with hearing protection....

Wow! I couldn't come near 75-100 rounds with a .300 mag. The 7mm Rem mag is at the upper end of my recoil tolerance and I'm not even good for a box of shells out of that in one sitting.

We used to have a large prairie dog town leased, something on the order of several sections of continuous dog town.

After deer hunters were done with their primary task, a trip to the big dog town was often in order. Fellows shooting through 40 rounds of 300 Weatherby was not uncommon, yet when these same fellows switched to the supplied 223 their hit count invariably went up.

I got to the point where anyone who couldn't hit the broad side of a target board during initial sight in would immediately be brought to the big dog town and handed a 223. They would start out not hitting the broad side of a mound, but eventually hit some dogs.....the unhappy looks would turn to smiles, and we would go hunting with the 223. An ethically shot deer would be the outcome. I used this method twice personally. The guys who got to this level were 300 Mag shooters, but I've seen similar patterns with 7 Mag shooters, though generally not to the same level. Either way, when a client shows up shooting a Magnum, I strap on a sidearm, because there's a good chance something will need to be run down and finished off.

To me, most seem to be missing the advantage offered by any Magnum round. It's not about extending the range with lightweight bullets, but rather the ability to send heavier bullets downrange at the same velosity as smaller rounds.

The 7mm Magnum can send a 160 grain bullet at the same speed as a .270 Win. does with a 130 grain bullet. This becomes important when the game is larger than whitetail size. At 350-400 yards, that 30 grain advantage and harder hitting ability just can't be ignored. The .270 is great.....but it's NOT a 7 Mag. 500 yard shooting (and farther) is just not my thing.

No, YOU miss the point entirely. Is a Lexus "better" than a toyota? Well, by most objective standards, yes. If you can't afford the damn payment ( I'll spell it for you,

R-E-C-O-I-L) its a moot point.

A 7 mag with 160 AB's adds about 125 yards to a 270 with 140 AB's. Drop and drift are close enough that if you miss with one, you'd likely miss with the other.

Guys shooting a .270 never flinch though....



Reckon that depends on what's being shot at .... or what you define as 'miss'



Yes.... it is better.

More like an F-150 vs. F-250.... you can tell me 'I don't tow/haul anything.... so I don't need the extra.'..... Until you do.

All I know is that after seeing a few tons of game put on the ground, it was pretty obvious what rounds missed and/or shot the game all to schit. It wasn't the 270 and down shooters....

We should change the topic to chainsaws. That way, instead of the "big bore, big dick theory" it would be the "big bar, big dick theory".

Like Officer Callahan said, "A man has got to know his limitations".