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Looks like he got you, too.
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I always love it when some very experienced hunter/shooter is somehow disqualified because he's "an old man."
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"Old men" kick arse. If not literally, well then...
A wise man is frequently humbled.
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I always love it when some very experienced hunter/shooter is somehow disqualified because he's "an old man." Or when an old person is considered very experienced because they are old....
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59 pages on this thread, ain't it about time for some nekkid girl pichers?
Mathew 22: 37-39
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Safe Shooting! Steve Redgwell www.303british.comGet your facts first, then you can distort them as you please. - Mark Twain Member - Professional Outdoor Media Association of Canada
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Figured Stick woulda been on around page 2.....
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59 pages on this thread, ain't it about time for some nekkid girl pichers? You could change your settings. I'm showing 8 pages w/ 80 posts per page.
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This thread seems to be getting a life of its own. As for the 270, its plenty for most applications. The main reason it works is that most people can shoot one reasonably well enough to hit the right spot on game. Nothing magic about it, its called marksmanship.
"Any idiot can face a crisis,it's the day-to-day living that wears you out."
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Safe Shooting! Steve Redgwell www.303british.comGet your facts first, then you can distort them as you please. - Mark Twain Member - Professional Outdoor Media Association of Canada
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I always love it when some very experienced hunter/shooter is somehow disqualified because he's "an old man." Yeah that is pretty funny.
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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My Grandpa used to say, "all you need is a .30-30, with a .30-06 you'll just hit a tree". So apparently just being aged isn't a panacea for ignorance.
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As the clich� goes, there's no fool like an old fool.
However, just because somebody's, ah, very mature doesn't mean they HAVEN'T learned anything. And I would be willing to bet Dave Petzal has killed more big game animals with a wider variety of cartridges than 99% of the people on the Campfire.
While many of the younger people here will disagree with his opinion about the .270 Winchester and 7mm Remington Magnum (which did NOT state the 7mm RM is a POS), his conclusion is backed up by a lot of "research and development." He didn't make it up, and hasn't forgotten it, despite not being 35 anymore.
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My Grandpa used to say, "all you need is a .30-30, with a .30-06 you'll just hit a tree". So apparently just being aged isn't a panacea for ignorance. I read somewhere that this kind of thing is hereditary?
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However, just because somebody's, ah, very mature doesn't mean they HAVEN'T learned anything. And I would be willing to bet Dave Petzal has killed more big game animals with a wider variety of cartridges than 99% of the people on the Campfire.
That's the biggest difference I see today. Old timers like Petzal based opinions on cartridges from experiences killing lots of animals, in lots of different places. Not so much today,when we break out charts and tables to"prove" a point about cartridges. Today I think the widespread hunting experiences are lacking.Not in all cases, but in many.
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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Old timers like Petzal based opinions on cartridges from experiences killing lots of animals, in lots of different places.
Not so much today,when we break out charts and tables to"prove" a point about cartridges. Today I think the widespread hunting experiences are lacking.Not in all cases, but in many. Exactly. The written word is helpful at times. But, never a replacement for hands-on experience. Cartridge comparisons are subjective at best. Will a VW bug tow a 40' RV? No. Will an F250 Super Duty getcha 30 mpg? No. But, they will both getcha to & from the job.
By the way, in case you missed it, Jeremiah was a bullfrog.
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My Grandpa used to say, "all you need is a .30-30, with a .30-06 you'll just hit a tree". So apparently just being aged isn't a panacea for ignorance. I read somewhere that this kind of thing is hereditary? Probably is. Fortunately he was my Grandma's second husband. My real Grandpa ran out on her before I was born. So I'm safe from his genes anyway.
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One of the side-trails on this this thread deveolved into an argument over how superior the 7mm Magnum is to the .270 at 600 yards, using all sorts of quotes of ballistic coefficients.
Aside from the fact that relatively little big game is killed at 600 yards, and that relatively few hunters care about trying so, Warren Page killed a bunch of animals at 400-600 yards with his 7mm Mashburn using the 175-grain Nosler Partition--back when it was a "semi-spitzer," a euphemism for "semi-round- nose." And that was long before laser rangefinders. Page killed far more big game than Dave Petzal, yet his experience would be dismissed by many of today's hunters, and not just because he didn't use the proper equipment because he's dead. Apparently that's an even worse offense than getting old.
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Yup, old and dead is a bad combination......
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Yup, old and dead is a bad combination...... Indeed. The writer also wouldn't be taken seriously these days unless he went to a few long range tactical shoots, which would show he knows everything there is to know about hunting rifle cartridge selection. Just remember, tactical shooting = hunting. Apparently. He also would not be worthy of attention unless he spent a lot of time on the internet quoting numbers that aren't actually backed up by field experience.
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