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A trick by those who hope to draw attention to the problems in the bordercountry? There is something raw and direct in that sign, it's them until I see proof of something different.


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Originally Posted by mark shubert
When I was in the NG we, along with many other units, did our summer training at Ft Bliss. Maybe the rules of summer camp could be changed re: infiltrators.

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I'm concerned heads are going to roll and I don't mean that figuratively. We've seen what the cartels do and get away with it.

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I suspect that this was someone's idea of a "cool" trick to attract attention. The cartels tend to avoid publicity on this side of the border and for those who do attract attention, punishment is usually swift and brutal.


Agreed, IIRC the boatload of teenagers who shot the American on a jet ski on Falcon Lake a few years back were all killed for their trouble. The reports were all the attention that killing brought closed down the lucrative smuggling trade all along that 30 mile lake (boats at night with no running lights according to local residents), at least for a period of time.

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Now there are reports that suggest a possible edgy ad campaign for a movie. Death threats or childmen with bad taste?

http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2014/05/narco-war-billboards-mysteriously.html

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Originally Posted by APDDSN0864
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This may be a dumb idea, but why not put the National Guard down there in Texas? Isn't that something they are trained for or do I have it wrong?


I think that's a great idea. Have every National Guard unit from every state come to the border, TDY, and take turns patrolling the Border.

Great training and we get the benefit(s).

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already been done, totally a clusterf**k. I talked to the tennes. guard at sasabe a number of years ago, talk about frogs out of water. Not really their fault tho, hamstrung by the rules of the road..


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Originally Posted by JSTUART
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This may be a dumb idea, but why not put the National Guard down there in Texas? Isn't that something they are trained for or do I have it wrong?


I am much too polite to give my thoughts on the matter, suffice to say that I believe your solution is much too tame.


Thanks. What would be your solution? Would it include the National Guard?



No...it would involve your Government getting of it's arse and start putting it's citizens first by hunting every one of the creatures down and killing them.

They have as a group declared war on you...oblige them.


I agree with your assessment, J.S. These" people" are breaking our laws with impunity and our government does absolutely nothing but make excuses. Excuses about why a wall can not be built, excuses about thia and that. It's all BS. They allow it to happen because at some level, it fits an agenda they have and benefits our "leadership".

Build the wall. It certainly can be done. Greater feats have been performed with less knowledge and equipment. Build it and issue a warning that anyone who comes over, around or under it will be shot as a foreign invader because that's what they are.

It's a border in a war zone and should be as secure as any such border can be made.


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Originally Posted by RoninPhx
Originally Posted by APDDSN0864
Originally Posted by asphaltangel
This may be a dumb idea, but why not put the National Guard down there in Texas? Isn't that something they are trained for or do I have it wrong?


I think that's a great idea. Have every National Guard unit from every state come to the border, TDY, and take turns patrolling the Border.

Great training and we get the benefit(s).

Ed


already been done, totally a clusterf**k. I talked to the tennes. guard at sasabe a number of years ago, talk about frogs out of water. Not really their fault tho, hamstrung by the rules of the road..

Actually, when the National Guard came, the traffic slowed down a lot around here. It turns out that most of the countries from where illegals come are afraid of their armies, and they apparently assume that ours is to be feared, as well. The fact that the Guard had no weapons, and that they were severely restricted in what they could and could not do, took a while to register. I think that militarizing the border would be a huge deterrent and that armed conflicts would be pretty much limited to the military vs. the hard core criminal element.


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The military actions on the border the last round were just a smoke and light show. The National Guard wasn't even armed.

To get a more accurate picture of what impacts militarization efforts on THE border would have, they would have to subject the whole border to it. and for an extended period of time. Not just a limited time on limited areas, predetermined by politicians seeking re-election and much publicized by them.

The only reason traffic in a certain area slowed down is because it was the publicized area of action...

They just made plans to cross whatever they wanted somewhere less active. wink


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Originally Posted by stxhunter
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Publicity stunt perhaps?


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Publicity stunt perhaps?


Those aren't mannequins. But it sends the message they want to send.


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Shoot on sight would cure a lot of ills.


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Originally Posted by RoninPhx
Originally Posted by APDDSN0864
Originally Posted by asphaltangel
This may be a dumb idea, but why not put the National Guard down there in Texas? Isn't that something they are trained for or do I have it wrong?


I think that's a great idea. Have every National Guard unit from every state come to the border, TDY, and take turns patrolling the Border.

Great training and we get the benefit(s).

Ed


already been done, totally a clusterf**k. I talked to the tennes. guard at sasabe a number of years ago, talk about frogs out of water. Not really their fault tho, hamstrung by the rules of the road..


Yes, that was a RIDICULOUS situation, at least in this area. Folks that keep bringing up the "Guard" are just dead wrong,....the national Guard's UNBREAKABLE ties to the Pentagon , e.g. Federal .gov make it to unwieldy, and encumbered with top heavy ROEs.

Some of you may remember when I was campaigning for Frank Antenori, and writing for a State Soveriegnty and Border Security Committee, not all that long ago.
We had an initiative going to form a STATE GUARD. It would have been the direction of the State Houses and the GOVERNOR of Az.
There would have been NO ties whatever to what's now called the National Guard,....NONE. Scared the CRAP out of the Libs, and was looking do-able, Some turncoat RINOS in Phoenix scuttled it, and the white Hot Rage over Krentz and Terry cooled. Gabby getting popped in Tucson helped not at all, either.

It's still a good idea, and the ONLY one that has half a chance of being effective.

There are some SERIOUS threats in place right now against LE in my district, emenating outta' Culiacan,.....and they are being TAKEN seriously, too.

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...time to go rouge down there and fight like the VC????

Tack visually confusing brush to your back; engage, and displace.

Nobody takes the American Citizen seriously. Not the Mexis, and certainly not .gov.

Maybe chasin these guys on horseback, lassoin them, and draggin them to the BP, would catch a few eyes, and slow them down. Rob Roy style.

A posse of horsemen chasing you through the brush down there would make me think twice.

Not violence per see, just tackle from horseback.

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I don't like the idea in general of the army operating on U.S. soil in a enforcement capacity.
that said it is the international border. we are being invaded. our citizens are being put at risk.
militarize the border, arm them with any and all means to interdict the flow. make a kill zone extending 500 yards into mexico. shoot all Mexican federales encroaching that zone. OR, march into mexico city, tell the current crook in chief that he is the newest governor of the newest state of the union.


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Yeah just think about how many would qualify for welfare and vote communist.


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Yeah just think about how many would already qualify for welfare and vote communist.


Fixt it for you. wink


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Originally Posted by crossfireoops
Originally Posted by RoninPhx
Originally Posted by APDDSN0864
Originally Posted by asphaltangel
This may be a dumb idea, but why not put the National Guard down there in Texas? Isn't that something they are trained for or do I have it wrong?


I think that's a great idea. Have every National Guard unit from every state come to the border, TDY, and take turns patrolling the Border.

Great training and we get the benefit(s).

Ed


already been done, totally a clusterf**k. I talked to the tennes. guard at sasabe a number of years ago, talk about frogs out of water. Not really their fault tho, hamstrung by the rules of the road..


Yes, that was a RIDICULOUS situation, at least in this area. Folks that keep bringing up the "Guard" are just dead wrong,....the national Guard's UNBREAKABLE ties to the Pentagon , e.g. Federal .gov make it to unwieldy, and encumbered with top heavy ROEs.

Some of you may remember when I was campaigning for Frank Antenori, and writing for a State Soveriegnty and Border Security Committee, not all that long ago.
We had an initiative going to form a STATE GUARD. It would have been the direction of the State Houses and the GOVERNOR of Az.
There would have been NO ties whatever to what's now called the National Guard,....NONE. Scared the CRAP out of the Libs, and was looking do-able, Some turncoat RINOS in Phoenix scuttled it, and the white Hot Rage over Krentz and Terry cooled. Gabby getting popped in Tucson helped not at all, either.

It's still a good idea, and the ONLY one that has half a chance of being effective.

There are some SERIOUS threats in place right now against LE in my district, emenating outta' Culiacan,.....and they are being TAKEN seriously, too.

GTC


We have enough "Alphabet Agencies" that have been assigned the task of border security. To no avail, I might add.

I agree with not having troops saddled with the task as well.

The Natl. Guard and the political grandstanding that ensues when they are sent to the border, as well as incidents like shooting innocent citizens has proven that to be ineffective.

States that wish to get control over their own border security would be in the best interest of the people, and the most legal and probably the most effective....UNTIL you figure in states like Kalifornia. Where would they fit in with all this teamwork? eek


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