Do the Burris quick detach Zee rings hold zero when taken off and put back on,can the pos-align inserts be used in them ? I would also like some input from those who use them . Pros and cons to them?And as compared to other rings,Weaver etc.
Haven't used the QD versions so can't say about return to zero but they will not take the posalign inserts. You have to go the the signature zee rings to get the inserts if you want a zee ring. I'm a big fan of the signature series of rings. No lapping, no ring marks, they hold great and you can use the inserts to establish a mechanical zero or build in some extra elevation if you like.
John
If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
The signature rings are any of the rings that use their inserts. They come in Redfield type with the windage adjustable bases, in dual dovetails and Zee Rings which attach to a weaver type base or a Picatiny rail. A scope mounted in Signature Zee rings can be removed and put back on and return to zero reasonably well. It is not a true quick release though�
John
If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
Thanks,I have read that the Signature rings were great . I guess all I need to do is get the Signature rings and the kit with the 3 inserts ?
You won't need the kit unless your mounting holes are drilled off center, or you need to add elevation for longer range. The kit allows you to center a scope that won't otherwise center, or add elevation.
The Signature Zee rings come with concentric inserts and attach to Weaver bases.
Thanks,I have read that the Signature rings were great . I guess all I need to do is get the Signature rings and the kit with the 3 inserts ?
You won't need the kit unless your mounting holes are drilled off center, or you need to add elevation for longer range. The kit allows you to center a scope that won't otherwise center, or add elevation.
The Signature Zee rings come with concentric inserts and attach to Weaver bases.
Just trying to think ahead and figure if I am going to order the rings I might as well get the insert Kit so I will have it if I need it . Dont suppose there is any issue with using steel rings on aluminum bases ?
Signatures are a great way to fly and I wish all Manufacturers offered rings that wore eccentrics. It is an unobtrusive way,to mechanically center a scope's windage and maximize it's elevation travel,if only because you have to arrange the first,to yield the latter.
Now that being said,Burris fasteners have been dog schit for decades and they continue that "honor". To further complicate matters,the Zee's are typically amongst the worst of their worst,in both sizing and "quality".
They ain't all that warm/fuzzy on a static system,which one hopes to leave alone and about the last choice as "QD's" go. If you're facinated with mounting glass,removing it and remounting it again,ala the Alabama/Texas Field Of Dreams Ploy...you will be farrrrrrrrr better served by sourcing a different route. The Zee's will puke in short order.
If you gotta [bleep] with schit in sucha manner,it's gonna be tough to trump Leupie PRW's,as they repeat exceptionally,as a function of their design,with it's beefy surface area and increased number/quality of fasteners. Their nomenclature is a misnomer and yet they're vastly superior mechanically,to their QRW lash-up,being more robust and far more unobtrusive.
Now if you were to cite the application particulars,it'd save a whole bunch of [bleep] around and you could be assured you rung the bell,right out of the [bleep] gate. So which receiver,stock and scope? Knowing that,you can have GPS coordinates to the Watering Hole.
Again,Zee's are absolute dog schit [bleep] junk,as a means of glass swappin'.
Hint.
(Addendum: for GPS coordinates)
You certainly don't want Zee's,scratch the notion.
Pretty much any base with a recoil cross-slot can be pressed into effective service and I've yet to puke a Weaver base,but they suffered soft fasteners for a goodly spell,which are easily upgraded and nudged to Torx.
There's about a bajillion cobbled Mousers on the Planet and lotsa schit don't align there,which very usually incorporates base holes. You may have the one and only,that's interfaced exceptionally,but odds are...you ain't.(grin)
So far and away the best melding of rugged/reliability,unobtrusive lines,quality fasteners and a viable means to chase concentricity woe(s),the DD Signatures are a very tough route to whoop. It'd certainly be my first move,because it's without compromise and you've 40MOA on tap,to chase concentricity with.
It'd of course be a 6x42 Show and better yet,wearing M1 ele. You'd then be capably armed to fend whatever is flung at you and be afforded the merits of a stree free mounted glass of repute,that's mechanically centered in it's saddle and leaving lotsa opportunity on the erector.
Shouldja' run into serious concentricity woe,you can always pad the base proper,to eek even more ele latitude.
There ain't a move you cain't make,with sucha system and it's ring spacing,conjoined with stress free tube alignment,will make huge strides in both the overall longevity of said glass,as well as it's zero retention. The upside being,there ain't NO downside.
I am not real hung up on on swapping scopes just to be doing it. Just a what if in case of scope failure I could have another one already zeroed to put on. But the fact of the matter is I am going to have another rifle ready to go with me anyway so I think that is a non issue after all ! I am used to using Weaver rings and have no issues with them , Mainly asked just out of curiosity about the Zee rings as an alternative as I like the idea of the mechanical centering with the inserts. I am going to be using a FN 1950 Mauser sporterized 30-06. I may just use Weavers or what do you think about the Burris Signature rings in Leupold dual dovetail Bases? More than likely be using a Leupold 4x32 or a Leupold 6x42 scope.
I have used the dual dovetail signature rings and the offset kit to mount and site in my rifle while allowing the scope to remain pretty much optically centered. after first centering the scope adjustments via the mirror method I will then mount the scope in the concentric inserts first and with the rifle in the rest i'll look through the bore at a target 100 yrds away and then i'll check where my cross hairs are in relation to that. by determining how many inches they seem to be off I can pretty much figure which offset inserts to use and yes it takes some time and tweaking but in the end I end up using as few as just a couple clicks of the scopes adjustments to be sited in. I find the scopes performance at higher magnification in terms of brightness and resolution when it is pretty much still optically centered tends to be better. it works for me but I am sure there will be others that shake their heads no. granted these are hunting rifles and not target rifles. my scope stays stress free and ring marks are not an issue.
Signatures are a great way to fly and I wish all Manufacturers offered rings that wore eccentrics. It is an unobtrusive way,to mechanically center a scope's windage and maximize it's elevation travel,if only because you have to arrange the first,to yield the latter.
Now that being said,Burris fasteners have been dog schit for decades and they continue that "honor". To further complicate matters,the Zee's are typically amongst the worst of their worst,in both sizing and "quality".
They ain't all that warm/fuzzy on a static system,which one hopes to leave alone and about the last choice as "QD's" go. If you're facinated with mounting glass,removing it and remounting it again,ala the Alabama/Texas Field Of Dreams Ploy...you will be farrrrrrrrr better served by sourcing a different route. The Zee's will puke in short order.
If you gotta [bleep] with schit in sucha manner,it's gonna be tough to trump Leupie PRW's,as they repeat exceptionally,as a function of their design,with it's beefy surface area and increased number/quality of fasteners. Their nomenclature is a misnomer and yet they're vastly superior mechanically,to their QRW lash-up,being more robust and far more unobtrusive.
Now if you were to cite the application particulars,it'd save a whole bunch of [bleep] around and you could be assured you rung the bell,right out of the [bleep] gate. So which receiver,stock and scope? Knowing that,you can have GPS coordinates to the Watering Hole.
Again,Zee's are absolute dog schit [bleep] junk,as a means of glass swappin'.
Hint.
(Addendum: for GPS coordinates)
You certainly don't want Zee's,scratch the notion.
Pretty much any base with a recoil cross-slot can be pressed into effective service and I've yet to puke a Weaver base,but they suffered soft fasteners for a goodly spell,which are easily upgraded and nudged to Torx.
There's about a bajillion cobbled Mousers on the Planet and lotsa schit don't align there,which very usually incorporates base holes. You may have the one and only,that's interfaced exceptionally,but odds are...you ain't.(grin)
So far and away the best melding of rugged/reliability,unobtrusive lines,quality fasteners and a viable means to chase concentricity woe(s),the DD Signatures are a very tough route to whoop. It'd certainly be my first move,because it's without compromise and you've 40MOA on tap,to chase concentricity with.
It'd of course be a 6x42 Show and better yet,wearing M1 ele. You'd then be capably armed to fend whatever is flung at you and be afforded the merits of a stree free mounted glass of repute,that's mechanically centered in it's saddle and leaving lotsa opportunity on the erector.
Shouldja' run into serious concentricity woe,you can always pad the base proper,to eek even more ele latitude.
There ain't a move you cain't make,with sucha system and it's ring spacing,conjoined with stress free tube alignment,will make huge strides in both the overall longevity of said glass,as well as it's zero retention. The upside being,there ain't NO downside.
Win/win.
See how easy it is?!?
You've been led to water.
Hint.(grin)
Thanks,I have used the Leupold dual dovetails and rings on a Rem 700 7mm mag years ago(with a Leupold 6x36) and had no problems with them BUT I like the idea of the Signatures and Leupold Bases and 6x42 even more so Thats what its going to be. Dont know bout the Mauser yet as I wont be able to get to gunshop till Monday(when Fed Ex delivers. Hopefully it will be that ONE Mauser you speak of but if not sounds like the Signatures will handle it pretty well. Another question for you,which height rings for the 6x42 and rifle combo I am going to do?
I have used the dual dovetail signature rings and the offset kit to mount and site in my rifle while allowing the scope to remain pretty much optically centered. after first centering the scope adjustments via the mirror method I will then mount the scope in the concentric inserts first and with the rifle in the rest i'll look through the bore at a target 100 yrds away and then i'll check where my cross hairs are in relation to that. by determining how many inches they seem to be off I can pretty much figure which offset inserts to use and yes it takes some time and tweaking but in the end I end up using as few as just a couple clicks of the scopes adjustments to be sited in. I find the scopes performance at higher magnification in terms of brightness and resolution when it is pretty much still optically centered tends to be better. it works for me but I am sure there will be others that shake their heads no. granted these are hunting rifles and not target rifles. my scope stays stress free and ring marks are not an issue.
I just put the signature zee on my Anschutz 1422. So far so good. Absolutely no mount that I have tried locks up nicely with the Anschutz or CZ rails. These seem to have held their POI and have the added plus of supposedly not leaving rings on the scope.
If you are partial to Chinese made stuff, they'll probably work for you..
Could you expand on that comment please. I'm not sure I follow you & would love to be enlightened. I am after all a very simple mind.
The rings are made in China. I understand.
Some are some aren't. I recently purchased a set of Burris Xtreme Tactical Rings which was marked "Made in china" in infinitesimally small font on the rear label of the bubble pack. Other packages of the same rings purchased earlier this year were not so labeled. One may conclude that new production of these rings is being shifted to China. I have not determined that the Signature Zee Rings are produced offshore. Burris was purchased by Beretta, so we can expect to find a shift to less expensive venues for manufacturing accessories with narrow profit margins. I recall also having another package of Burris rings with a very small "Made in China" or "China" sticker affixed to the package, but I couldn't find it just now to confirm the model. No matter, Burris Signature Rings and Zee Rings, are my favored rings for most uses. Being made in China is not a problem. Burris long ago began shifting scope production to Asia. Avoiding Chinese made products will leave us with very few choices as American made is becoming ever less competitive in the world market.
The difference between the Xtreme Tactical and Signature Zee Rings is that the Tactical rings have six screws per ring, lack the offset inserts, but allow quick removal from a rail without removing the cross screw, and use a hex head nut for precise torque settings. The Zee Rings are more conventional and better suited to a rifle where they will remain in place.
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