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Originally Posted by gunner500
If some prick walks up and grabs your Wifes boob he initiated a godly amount of force, right?

Your gonna fu-k him up, no?
Where's the connection between that statement and where you said buying drugs was the initiation of force?


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You do stupid illegal chit and you will draw force, whats so damn smokey about seeing/understanding that?


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Originally Posted by gunner500
You do stupid illegal chit and you will draw force, whats so damn smokey about seeing/understanding that?
I have no trouble understanding that if you do something illegal you will draw force, justly or not. What you said was that making a purchase was an initiation of force. That's quite a different thing.

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Making an 'ILLEGAL" purchase will draw heat, buying a train load of dog food will not.


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I wonder what the resident hate-a-cop braintrust would do if they KNEW their next door neighbor was cooking meth and put their entire family AT dire risk but couldn't PROVE it. They would expect who to do what what to protect their family?

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Were they my neighbors I'd lite em up at 0400 on a cloudy day. grin

The Coppers, Coroner and FD will be along shortly to put out the fire and sack up the dopers.


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GUNNER, that would be an entirely logical but extraconstitutional response. Expect someone to second guess your priorities and methods. Nice touch on the cloudy day!

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Originally Posted by gunner500
Making an 'ILLEGAL" purchase will draw heat, buying a train load of dog food will not.
Sure, it will draw heat, whether just or not. But you said it constituted an initiation of force.

My announcing at a meeting of the National Organization for Women that women belong barefoot, pregnant, and in the kitchen cooking for their man, would also draw heat (perhaps even violence), but my statement would not be an initiation of force.

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Originally Posted by lvmiker
I wonder what the resident hate-a-cop braintrust would do if they KNEW their next door neighbor was cooking meth and put their entire family AT dire risk but couldn't PROVE it. They would expect who to do what what to protect their family?

mike r
Drugs being illegal is the cause of folks engaging in the dangerous practice of "cooking meth." Were drugs not illegal, no one would do that as the profit margin would be much higher for other, safer to process, drugs. Also, you'd be able to pick them up at the drug store like you pick up liquor at the liquor store. No violence or criminal element involved.

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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
My announcing at a meeting of the National Organization for Women that women belong barefoot, pregnant, and in the kitchen cooking for their man, would also draw heat (perhaps even violence), but my statement would not be an initiation of force.


What if you picked her up at a truck stop and she laughed at your stuff?


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"No Knock" warrants should be far & few between...it should be a last resort type thing...

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Originally Posted by ltppowell
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
My announcing at a meeting of the National Organization for Women that women belong barefoot, pregnant, and in the kitchen cooking for their man, would also draw heat (perhaps even violence), but my statement would not be an initiation of force.


What if you picked her up at a truck stop and she laughed at your stuff?


If that happened, it would be a miracle....hard to laugh when you're chokin on a cock...

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Its good to see the jury made the right choice in this case. Freedom from tyranny is way more important than ANY drug law.


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Originally Posted by lvmiker
I wonder what the resident hate-a-cop braintrust would do if they KNEW their next door neighbor was cooking meth and put their entire family AT dire risk but couldn't PROVE it. They would expect who to do what what to protect their family?

mike r


I would do nothing if I can't prove it.


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Originally Posted by gunner500
Making an 'ILLEGAL" purchase will draw heat, buying a train load of dog food will not.

You seem to be well-equipped for an admirable number of potential situations in life; but an argument about what constitutes an initiation of force does not appear to be one of them.


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Originally Posted by lvmiker
GUNNER, that would be an entirely logical but extraconstitutional response. Expect someone to second guess your priorities and methods. Nice touch on the cloudy day!

mike r


Yes they will no doubt, what they dont know/understand is my views are entirely legal and accepted in the 'Free States' of Oklahoma and Texas, not so much in the locales of the blind rainbow liberal compassionate enablers.


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Originally Posted by gunner500
Making an 'ILLEGAL" purchase will draw heat, buying a train load of dog food will not.

You seem to be well-equipped for an admirable number of potential situations in life; but an argument about what constitutes an initiation of force does not appear to be one of them.


See my above post.


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Entirely legal, sure.

Entirely accepted, no, not really. I have a couple of anarchist friends in Oklahoma. But I know what you mean.

However, even you would undoubtedly agree that just because there's a law prohibiting something doesn't mean it's wrong, and just because there's a law mandating something doesn't mean it's right.


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AARRRGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! you smart fellers give my pea brain a headache, it dont have to be that difficult, will you agree that by NOT fu-kin with people or breaking the law will help ensure a persons pain free longevity?


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