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This guy starts at 12 minutes, and pretty well nails it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECNYsmne5js&feature=youtu.be

The problem is that the guy needs to research his statistics. Divorce rate is about 11% for churched folks. Much higher for unchurched folks.

The statistic that says that "christians" have a 50% divorce rate, the same as non-christians, is a lie.

Probably in line with how many Americans call themselves Christians vs. true believers. Did you listen all the way through or were you eager to get back here and criticize?

I listened to enough of it. The guy needs to learn facts before he gets up there and preaches. 72% of people are still married to their first spouse. Attending a worship service drops your "chances" of getting divorced by 25-50%. The numbers are so fuzzy it's hard to tell though.

That dude is real,,, none of that fake mess. I like him. we all have our struggles and I noticed a looong time ago that I am my own worst enemy.

Fireball2,

I watched the sermon. The problem with the church is, generally, the people attending don't believe God's Word. If you would like me to document this, I will post support for this.

"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." -
Mahatma Gandhi

Anyone who is like Christ doesn't need Him.

It's my observation that religion is a money making business, selling salvation. I seldom see church leaders living humbly and in poverty.
The major religions, Baptist, Catholic, Lutheran. Methodist, etc are major tax exept corporations with the local churchs as franchises.

Jim

I'm sorry you feel that way. Unfortunately that is true in some instances but it is not in our church. Our pastor is a good man who routinely donates up to half his salary to charity and the needy. If you were closer I'd invite you to come worship with us and see what a good church experience is like. We aren't perfect but we have some good folks with their hearts in the right place.

Calvin is correct, I've known a few Christains that would never consider the sin of divorce and they stayed married. Sure some lived apart or took regular beatings from their husband, but they were good Christians that never divorced.

Hell, I knew one Christian that stayed with her husband, even though he knocked up one of their daughters.

It's good to see them staying faithful to the sanctity of marriage.

I knew another, deacon of his church, that started banging is step-daughter when she was 14. After his wife found out 5 years later she still stayed with him and he stayed with the church.

Good to see that kind of commitment in people.

I've also known a few law abiding citizens that speed as well. Calling oneself a Christian does not make it so. Lots of hypocrites in every so called groups of people.

Interesting.

An interesting take on marriage and Buddhism.

He's right that the Church to concentrate on a symptom.

He's also right about how the Church can fire up good intentions and/or guilt in people. I've been to enough Bible thumping revival meetings to see that first hand. My wife and I often wonder once the euphoria of the Bible thumping revival is over how many stay committed. Sort of like marriage once the euphoria is gone the marriage is gone.

I think the biggest problem with Christianity is it's based on a book of legends and mythologies. That's okay as long as one ignores reality but once reality kicks in the book of legends and mythologies kind of falls by the way side so doesn't just about everything else.

Takes a lickin' an' keeps on tickin'.

He was simply trying to avoid the possibility of the dreaded clap.

STDs are such a bummer.

People often say that as though they are surprised, or as though it discredits those who truly do believe in Christ. But Jesus himself said, "Not everyone who says to me, �Lord, Lord,� will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven" (Matthew 7:21).

Look closely at Jim's statement. He says, "I seldom see church leaders living humbly...." That actually confirms what Jesus said earlier in that same context, "Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few. Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves" (Matthew 7:13-15).

The fact that there are false prophets is no surprise to Jesus, and it shouldn't be to us. But to us, it should motivate us to be faithful, and to be found among the "few." Jesus is either everything, or he is nothing. Take your pick as though your life depends on it.

Steve.

Is this gonna be the battle of the thumpers.

Quite a few lately.

We actually made it more then 10 posts on a religion thread before one the thumpers rolled out the threats.

That's got to be some kind of a record.

Flag waving thumpers are thin skinned.