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as a christian she shoulda beat him to death with a frying pan while he slept and sent him on to the promise land.

Man! I never saw it that way before...

Lets move away from Christian Western Civilization! It is so horrible! Where do you suggest?

But as a Christian, so long as the vile abuser accept Christ and repents before he dies, he's still going to Heaven.

If however, the abuse caused the child to not believe, she's headed to hell.

'Christians' are the biggest detriment to the mission of Christianity.

Thou shalt not kill

How many thousands of years has the catholic and protestant Christians violated this commandment in the name of God and Christianity?

If a person is looking for a clear-cut example - some cookie cutter format - as a basis for explaining, supporting or critiquing Christians and their organizations, it will be a fruitless search. The very nature of Christianity makes it uber easy for critics of Christians to do their thing, and they experience abundant stimulus.

The matter of Christianity is personal - a decision to accept a precious gift and, in turn, to do one's very best to live and serve accoring to commandments and principles laid out in the Word. Attending or being a member of a given organized church is not required, and doing so does not assure that one will be a Christian and/or live according to those tenets.

Church membership and endeavors can be very helpful to those who strive to live as Christians - helpful in both the indiviual and collective senses. But, such outcomes are not a given and it seems clear that some religious-based organizations (churches) not only do not always engender such Christian lives among the members, but that they sometimes espouse and do things that appear to be much the opposite.

No Christian is perfect - all humans are sinners. No church is perfect - churches are composed of sinners. Many people have a difficult time seeing and understanding the difference between a committed Christian life and the life of a church organization.

Many Christians take very seriously their charge to witness to non-believers - to present God's Word and Salvation to people of the world - and they do this in many ways. Some people do not take kindly to such Christian evangelistic efforts - they are offended, insulted, bothered, disinterested, etc. (long list) and many of them react with criticism. This has been foretold - it is to be expected - it comes with the differences.

So, from its beginning Christianity has been the target of critics - a BIG target. Due to the nature of the personal Christian relationship, I find it very difficult to understand how such critics are able to look into the hearts and souls of every Christian in order to find a basis for their broad critiques of Christians en masse. That explanation is left to the critics.

Some Christians seem to relish - feel compelled or commanded - to reply to critics in efforts to prove them wrong or put them down. That may be a worthhwile effort, but in ways that I do not yet understand. Then again, I still have much to learn.

We all have our struggles and failures, and some successes. For those who have not tried it in earnest, it might be helpful to know that the life of a Christian often is a life of constant struggle to live as directed, and it can be very difficult some days. But, it never is difficult because of the work of the critics. It is difficult because of the personal challenges inherent with that solo decision. The gift is free - the journey is not.

What an ignoramus.

CCCC ; Thank you! Well said.

There's a lot of messed up people in this world. It just so happens that both father and mother claimed to be Christian in this case.

Coming from you, that is a compliment. That must put me one step above you.

Truer words have never been spoken.

I don't know of anybody like that. All the christians I know are upstanding people, with a few flaws, but in general upstanding people. You must keep far different company than I do.

The reality is that if you get divorced and you go to church, you are in the far minority, despite the lies told that "50% of christians get divorced". It is far from normal. Most people, even unchurched, stay together with their original spouse.

Not limited to catholics & protestants. Add many other faiths to the list as well.

God and real estate has been the impetus for killing each other for thousands of years.

I should have figured you were a fan of Ghandi, Antlers.
http://www.gandhism.net/gandhiandblacks.php

Interestingly, what M.Ghandi liked and did not like is not one whit more important - or noteworthy - than what even the lowest type of human likes or dislikes. It may be the case that what Satan likes/dislikes is much more important than Ghandi's preferences.

No, it puts you at the level of a gullible college freshman retard who's swallowed a twisted lie foisted off on his young skull full of mush. If you didn't feel stupid after you typed that original post you might just be too stupid to live.

Hey Antlers, I'm honest about what I say and I take full responsibility. You've never seen me back down from that, have you, azzhole? And I'm not going to because it is the truth - Islam is the enemy of God and everyone else.

But at every turn you reveal yourself to be at best an ignoramus, at worst a hypocritical liar. I think you lie about what you believe because to admit the truth would make you look bad to the retarded friends that you worship.

Give Haywood your best for me.

I think his point is that those who feel self-righteous over the self-righteousness of others don't know anyone stuck in a crappy & abusive marriage, which makes them EVEN MORE BETTER than the self-righteous who do know such people.

Because, ya know, self-righteousness is the ultimate sin, even to those who think that the idea of sin is only for the self-righteous.