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Just because one part of science dominated by Liberal Dogmatic Theocrats is wrong, doesn't mean the whole of science is wrong.

Scott, I do not choose to believe in God. I have no choice. I asked Him to come into my heart and the Truth has set me free of the curse of the flesh and the belief of only that which I see. I can not go back to where I was, no more than you can not see that which you have seen. HE said HE does not exist for those who do not believe, so for those, they are also correct in that there is no God. Small wonder Hitler chose the path he did.

Nothing is killing Christianity. Those things you listed are just making it easier to spot the frauds. "Christianity" has always been full of those who are just full of it, as it's not an exclusive club.

RJY, I'm familiar that presentation, and it's fallacys. Here's the list:

The calculation of odds assumes that the protein molecule formed by chance. However, biochemistry is not chance, making the calculated odds meaningless. Biochemistry produces complex products, and the products themselves interact in complex ways. For example, complex organic molecules are observed to form in the conditions that exist in space, and it is possible that they played a role in the formation of the first life (Spotts 2001).

The calculation of odds assumes that the protein molecule must take one certain form. However, there are innumerable possible proteins that promote biological activity. Any calculation of odds must take into account all possible molecules (not just proteins) that might function to promote life.

The calculation of odds assumes the creation of life in its present form. The first life would have been very much simpler.

The calculation of odds ignores the fact that innumerable trials would have been occurring simultaneously.

As a result the reported "odds" are invalid.

As for scientific ideas being proven false, we have a name for that. It's Progress. And who proves these ideas wrong anyway? Is it the priest, or another scientist?

In my experience in an Assembly Of God church for 31 yrs I know of three marriages that have failed. I;m sure there are more. They have problems and start going somewhere else so noone finds out. I know of hundreds of families from 2 churches I've attended. Very few get divorced. It seems funny the people most critical of christians aren't any better themselves and don't go to church but know all about their messed up lives and never bring up all the good things some churches do.

Hitler was raised Catholic. He speaks of it in Mein Kampf. In addition, all members of the SS were required to be Christian.

Sorry, but that dog just won't hunt.

What you're missing is that "christian" is a very generic term, used throughout the ages for a very wide variety of beliefs and actions that come from those beliefs.

If God/theology in the Class room made kids smarter, Muslims would be the worlds leader in science.

Threats??? Ha!

How can something you don't believe in threaten you?

Sounds like Nancy Pelosi logic.

So what if he was raised Catholic? That does not follow the teachings of The Bible. Did hitler accept their tenants even? No. He rejected the most basic requirements.

You're confusing God with satan. No worries. Typical atheist misnomer.

He's right ya know. School today is not what it once was or needs to be. Coincidence? Yeah, sure.

The respect is mutual.

No Sir, I do not defend the atrocities that went on in the name of any religion and especially not Christianity. The dark ages were dark and the leaders during those times were... well as a Christian I do not use that language.

Neither do I believe in any of the end justifies the means kinds of trickery to try to force others to believe as I do. I refuse to follow any religion and the harsh dogmas that go along with religions. I just follow Christ as best as I can and no, I am a hell of a long way from perfect or even especially good.

As I stated in the quoted post I makes no difference to me what you believe. I disagree with you but will fight to the end for your right to freely believe as you choose and your right to state those beliefs.

You will not find me on a soap box shouting fire and brimstone. That is just not me. Nor will you find me supporting those who do.

I have a personal faith as does my wife. If you want to know about it you can ask and I will answer your questions to the best of my ability. But, if you were here right now I would probably light a campfire and pull up a couple of chairs. There would be refreshments. The subject of my beliefs in God would not come up unless you brought it up. I am pretty sure we would have a good time.

That said you aren't going to change my mind. I have my personal proof that God answers prayers in the form of a beautiful daughter born with Down syndrome. She was supposed to live for a month. I think she was four when she was Called to the Vancouver BC Children's Hosp. for tests. Positive for Down syndrome again. Around eleven years old the asked her to return for further testing. No Down syndrome. The tissue samples are still on file and they still have no explanation. She received no treatment, only prayer. I am convinced that a power much higher than any other had His hand in this. I find no other scientific explanation. I call Him God.

Hes had a hard tome in school, she worked extra hard for her As and Bs through high school and collage. Today she manages food services and housekeeping for five care facilities and is next in line for a regional management position. She is buying her own home and has done it all without government help.

Scott, why do REAL Christians even give a crap about whether folks like AS are told the Truth? (Granted, pretend Christians don't give a crap, Steel, as you have experienced).

Real Christians give a crap because HE told us to love our neighbor as ourselves. HE told us to pray for our enemies. We have no choice but to want all to know the Truth (Jesus Christ) that even AS said he searched for in an earlier post.

Antelope-, there is no doubt true Christians are faulty and have done foolish, thoughtless, and unconscionable things down through the ages and still do in the name of their faith but two things: 1) "we" could give a historical laundry list of positive and very constructive things as well so you have to be even-handed in your honest appraisal. 2). The fact that Christians have done bad things is irrespective of their having The Truth. Rather, it's a matter of living it out with our human weakness that are so often at odds with living "the Christian life."

But my friend, I am anything but dogmatic. I believe in a loving, forgiving God who is most likely appalled and sickened by most of what the church (note the lower case c in the word church) has become as well as what it was in the time of heretic burning and the crusades. Love thy neighbor as you lop off his head just doesn't sit well.

FWIW I an not a young earth believer either and find nothing in my Bible that stater young earth. As for teaching theology in public schools, that is not their job.

I was given a choice and I chose the path but no, I cannot go back.

Hitler was taught in a Catholic school but just like my friend DD that did not make him a Christian just and it did not make the SS Christians. They may have been christians, that is lip service without true faith but Christians throughout time do not engage in the atrocities Hitler and the SS did.

There is a wide gap between christians and Christians. Just as every self made hero who brags about being A SEAL was never a SEAL.

Thanks Scott for the Truth, but actually, that is not what those who wish to denigrate The Truth are seeking. Some wish to use any excuse to stick a spear in Him, again, and are not truthful about the bone they use as an excuse to persecute Him, which is not really surprising, with respect to the excuses used to justify crucifying Him.

I do have to admit, I don't like most christians. I would rather sit around a fire with Mr Sniper than a christian any day of the week. Real is important to me.

Stop taking everything Richard Dawkins says as gospel. Sitting in a church no more makes you a Christian than sitting in a garage makes you a Buick.

Hitler and the Nazis pretended to be Christian to gain power because most Germans were Christians in those days. He was no more Christian than you are. The Swastika is a Hindu symbol that Hitler co-opted. Is he a Hindu too? I don't think so.

Hitler was not an idiot. He did not come out and tell the German people that he was evil and would destroy their country. Its pretty common knowledge that the Nazis were occultist....or at least I thought it was. Plenty of Nazi quotes exits about stamping out Christianity....Boorman said they were going to "stamp it out root and branch" and I believe Hitler said you could not be a Christian and a national socialist.

I will hand it to you....you are one prepared SOB and are damn good at pushing your agenda.