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Well said.

Baloney! A book of fairly tales from the sand dwellers has no more impact on your life than that which you let it.
If it makes you a great person, great. If you do wrong though, is it the books fault or yours?
Nobody is perfect, duh, but saying you can't live right without it is pretty ignorant or arrogant. Pick one.

I think if more people lived like this, that would be all that is needed in the bible.

I also think that if people just loved or respected their neighbor as they do themselves, life could be pretty good for any one in any corner of the world.
But, some people are just jerks! We can all recognize it in our cats and dogs, the mirror, not so much.

How do you know you are right?

You're starting with the idea the Bible is not God's Word. You are either ignorant of the history supporting God's Word or arrogantly rejecting It.



If evolution is what makes this better than the Muslim's beliefs? They are convinced if they kill infedels they are doing well. They are allowed to beat their wives and cut off their heads in "honor" killing.

The truth of Gods word is self evident. To reject it shows either ignorance of it or rebellion against it.

I am starting from the position that you don't need the bible or gods word, or any of it, to know right from wrong.

How hard is that to digest?

And BTW, I am not looking for some pissing match or trying to be antagonistic. I just don't understand how you guys can go on for four or five days arguing a point that you know the other person will never agree upon. Same goes for queers and abortion. Nobody ever changes the others mind or opinion, but they always fall just short of Bricktop making a cross country trip to kick Larry Roots ass.

And this is not about Muslims. That whole point of contention is a dead end.

Morality is simply what it takes for a given population to get along in a given geographical area in a given time frame. It's an evolutionary construct based on empathy. Try living buy the literal interpretation of morality laws in any of the ancient holy books and see how long you stay out of prison. Times change and so does morality.

Without an agreement on what is absolute truth, you and I may have a completely different world view and set of morals. I may think it's completely fine to rape and pillage, and you may not. Now, who is right?

If you don't believe that your religion is correct, why do you bother with it?

Isn't a lack of a solid religion or moral code just as valid?

If your religion is correct, how can other religions also be correct?

Nobody is really without a religion, what they look to for guidance just varies.

religion of one kind, type or another gives us, the common man, something to hold on to in the face of the unknown.

THE LAW!

I believe my spiritual path is right for me but it may not be right for everyone. I don't deny other spiritual paths or call them atheists because they believe differently.

I do draw the line with any spiritual path that deliberately seeks to harm others with malicious and spiteful intent as do most Pagans.

I've done pretty well staying out of jail so far for going on 50 years following Christ. But I don't take for granted that it will always be that way. If I live as long as my Dad, I've got about 30 more years. Given the current rate of degeneration in the U.S. things could get interesting before I check out. I suspect the direction we as a nation take after the next economic collapse will be telling.

If they had the power, Richard Dawkins and his disciples would probably lock me up (or worse) today. Some atheists apparently are getting pretty militant these days. Over my lifetime, I've only really known a couple very well and their attitude was if you wanna believe your crap fine, knock yourself out, I ain't buying it. One was perfectly fine with her kids investigating and choosing faith on their own...I guess you could say she was "pro-choice'. I never got the feeling from them that they perceived me or people like me as a "threat to their nation and their children" otherwise friendship would likely have been impossible. When you get to that point, the next logical step is to eliminate the threat....so like I said, I guess we will see.

You think you are be neutral and aluff. Jesus doesn't give that option. He says you are either for Him or against Him.



You are assumeing you know everyone's thoughts who read these threads.

The direction of this thread includes all who have an opinion that they, apart from God of the Bible, establish right and wrong.

Ok, say I rape, pillage, and plunder at your house, any opinion of what is right and wrong now?


Ringman. If sky daddy doesn't exist, how can you be for or against him?
How does that still keep a reasonable person from not recognizing right from wrong? (hint, see above )

How predictably logical, however, I will not lean on your own understanding. So, explain how Hinduism or Islam predicts the Jews will regain their homeland and not lose it, or how we will control the gates of our enemies as the strongest nation to ever exist and Great Britain would be the largest with the sun not setting on its shores, that is until we turn from Him and lean on our own understanding? Who predicted that Israel would be carried to safety as if on the wings of the eagle when their enemies would try to force them into the sea in the six day war?

A law tailored to each of us and to thus save each of us from our own various proclivities and vises sounds really nice. Yes, I think I shall attempt salvation by proclaiming innocence based on my particular situation.

Yep, I can be a god like ze ro, making and abiding by my own laws. Whew, I now feel so much better.