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Eyeball, I don't have a bit of a problem with us humans having a God. we had to hav started somewhere, and starting with God is as good of a place, condition, actuality as any. no one has come up with a better idea, unless it's the Hindu's. they say there's no beginning and no end. I don't know if they are right or wrong in that regard.

I'm not much into prophecy of Israel. the Conservative Rabbi I studied under back in the day didn't give it much credence, and he was well-versed in the subject, having been raised Orthodox and all.

anyhow, a lot of people like the idea or concept of God, since it gives them a "out" when they breathe their last down here on the Urthen. for that, God does seem to play an important role for many people, no matter what their current religion is.

Well, if you aren't in to prophecy it probably doesn't exist. Surely, if we ignore the stories meant for our enlightenment we will be no less enlightened.

FWIW, we don't have a god. One made us in His image and He has us, if we are so blessed. One can be so blessed if only they ask.

Agreemet by a group does not establish morality. Consider the inner city or parents sending their children across the Mexican desert.



Times change. Morality is immutable.

Wearing socks woven of wool and Lycra is a sin. True when Leviticus 19:19 was written so still true now.

Nah....if one understands the difference in "the law" and Jesus being the fulfillment of the law, one would not make that statement.

Tf

Do humans "have God?" Or does the Creator "have humans?" To think w
That humans have or create god is downright baffling to me.

Tf

Understood.

Jesus bled out so that I can wear blended fabric clothing and still go to Heaven.

Yep, pretty close. But "Christianity" is open to all so it is not exclusive of all, but not all choose to join. Also, it seems to me that the atheist does not believe in God but a muslim does so not all non-Christians are atheists. Right?

Tf

That's the crux of the problem right there. I'm a human being living in the natural world under natural law and I don't need salvation. When I pass I'll merely pass into the Other World, a parallel universe to this one. A fairy tale, sure but no different than your fairy tale.

You have that back wards. We humans have made God in our image. It's tough if not impossible to worship a Deity we have no concept of so we build a image of God and personalize it, every religion does it.

That's not what makes Christianity an exclusivistic religion. What makes Christianity exclusivistic religion is the 1st Commandment of the Ten Commandments.

You may not but most Christians consider anyone who does not believe in God (Jesus) is an atheist.

DD said: "That's not what makes Christianity an exclusivistic religion. What makes Christianity exclusivistic religion is the 1st Commandment of the Ten Commandments.

You may not but most Christians consider anyone who does not believe in God (Jesus) is an atheist."

"You shall not have any other god before me."

Ok, I see what you are saying. God wants us to worship ONLY Him. NO other "gods" and no other idols etc. Yep, that's exclusive alright.

TF


btw, I heard that Oprah one time said that she could not worship a god that was jealous. Kinda accusing God of being a "jealous" god. Well, I am so glad that he is. He is possessive of his own. He loves that which is rightfully his. He protects us from the deceiver and guards us. Yep, exclusive as you say and also, in my opinion, jealous.

Humans would have made a god who didnt care if you said g d, raped, pillaged, lied or stole, that being the nature of the flesh.

lol.

we're creeping up on, ever so slowly, the necessity to more fully define the human being.

at this point we can all agree upon the following: 1. we don't know where we came from, 2. we don't know where we are, and 3. we certainly don't know where we're headed next.

the High Priests at NASA are working overtime on the problem.

the definition of a human being is:

So, who or rather what, made us?

I reckon most on here were made by a mistake. Uh, does that count?

That's probably about as good an answer as you'll get, I fear.

I'll answer later I have to go right now.

A super natural intelligent life force made us what we may call God or a Deity but we can have no concept of what that God or Deity might look like.

The Bible says God prevented the Jews from building idols to represent God. God punished the Jews when they made the golden calf as a representation of God. The reason the Jews hold the Torah in such high reverence is because the Torah is the closes thing they can have to represent God.

The Celts were amazed when they saw the Roman and Greek temples and how the Romans and Greeks had made statues of the Roman and Greek Gods and Goddesses and had personified the Gods and Goddesses. The Celts believed in one supreme creator but said nothing can be known about the creator, it just is.

The Christians have personified God through Jesus and named God Jesus. I did the same thing with the Goddess that is my icon. Praying, speaking with, or doing much of anything else is tough without a personified Deity personified in the human image.

All religions I've studied do this. Buddha spent twenty years supposedly staring at wall to become enlighten. Today most Buddhists have the Buddha icon in their temples and homes for worship and enlightenment.

We are not made in the image of God but rather He is made in our image. Even if one were to say but our soul is made in the image of God and that maybe true but we have no concept of what the soul looks like or even is.

I know you're not; just speaking out of not knowing. Your premise is wrong. Get back to me if interested.

What's wrong with church,

real simple, people run it