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Same thing can be said for the lack of historicity of Muhammad.

When considering the strength of Ringman's faith, think about all the hours he's invested into it. It's a lot of time, an not many people would be able to admit to themselves they invested that much into an illusion.

I may throw some sharp debating points his direction, but I really do like the him. We just disagree on one subject.

1000 videos for Dr. Thomas Kindell on Youtube, and not a single one involves him debating anyone.

Maybe somebody from here will volunteer to be the first. We could post the video here, as well as youtube. Heck, the winner could even get the rights to market the full, un-cut version of the debate and keep all of the proceeds.

Ringman (or any of the young earth proponents), can you explain why we can observe objects in the universe that are more than 6000 light years away?

Squidge,

Here is one explanation. Not that I agree with it but it "works" from the perspective of an all powerful Creator, one who is fully capable of bringing the universe into existence.

One must see God as much more capable, detailed and creative than most of us, well maybe ALL of us, can comprehend. If one cannot comprehend God like this then one will simply be limited in what he can understand.

Here it goes the simplified version: Imagine the hand of God, imagine that he holds creation in his palm and then, having thought about what He is about to do, just slings it outward. The position of the galaxies are decided by Him ahead of the "throw." HE then simply creates the light from those galaxies as the galaxies are hurled about or otherwise placed in their positions.

Easy for the all powerful Creator to do if He chose to do it that way.

Also, I don't see in the Bible that the earth is 6000 years old.

THAT God DID it is the theme, not HOW or WHEN he did. This objection is simply a strawman for those who would either not understand or otherwise choose to denigrate Christianity. The central theme of the Bible is God and the next issue is YOU and God. It can be seen as a guide to relationships.

Oh, also, Mak is simply wrong. Many here won't allow their minds to be clouded with the facts. Might be too troublesome.

Anyway, gotta go, got work to do.

TF

You and I would be burned at the stake for heresy.

And all that proves what?

Squidge,

Right after you explain to me how nothing became something and something traveling apart faster than the speed of light came together.

If you are serious there a book by Russell Humphreys Ph.D called Starlight & Time. If you tell me you would read it I will get one on the way to where ever you want it delivered.

If you were lucky thats what would happen, if not you would have been drawn and quartered.

A dissected frog...has no life.....

Right after you prove there was really nothing there to begin with.

The Bible has been dated or I should say the first writings of the Old Testament has been dated to be about 6,000 years old. Hence, the earth must be 6,000 years old.

To put this in perspective. The ancient Celts did not believe in writing down their legends and mythologies, every story was oral. The ancient legends and mythologies of the Celts weren't written down down until about 700 to 800 years ago with the conversion to Christianity. One could say the Earth is about 700 to 800 years old when the first writings of the Celts started to appear.

derby_dude,



It proves people knew what dinosaurs looked before fossils started showing up. Some of the things in the photos are hundreds of years old.

I remember one scientist was amazed to discover a several hundred year old model of a triceratops in South America, I think it was, with frills along its back because a very recent discovery of a triceratops imprint displayed frills along it back. How did the local know to put frills along the back? Because they lived at the same time in the same area.

Fossils have been around for millennium not unlikely ancient people would have seen fossils. Advanced civilizations have come and gone.

As a member of the Museum of The Rockies it's impossible for us puny humans to have co-existed with dinosaurs. Plus no human remains have been found in the dinosaur epic not even in their poop.

No matter how you Creationist Christians spin it your spin does not hold up to scrutiny.

Have they checked to see if there were dinosaurs in human poop?

Seeing as how birds are dinosaurs there probably is dinosaur poop in humans.

derby_dude,



First, I agree fossils have been around for thousands of years.

Second, there are ten articulated fossils of humans in the same strata as dinosaurs. They were discovered in a mine in Moab, Utah. The owner of the mine called in a professor who dated the area at one hundred forty million years. The owner threatened a law suit to get his fossils back after the scientists had determined they were fully modern man.

Why do you think there are books being written on the new science of Out of Place Artifacts? Either man�s bones or artifacts are found in every strata of the supposed geological column. But, the artifacts are not out of place if one accepts God�s Word at face value. After all there was a world wide flood which mixed things together all over the world.

Ummmmm...... pass the ketchup please...lots of it....

It proves that the ancient Eqyptians were familiar with spaceships, aliens, men with heads like those of dogs, women with the head & wings of birds, and modern electricity.