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Still trying to get done here. But, you might want to check, even that famous Christian turned agnostic Bart Ehrman believes in the historicity of Jesus. Not exactly a neutral guy.

I will check into this tomorrow if this thread is still going,


TF

Edited to add: From a review of "Did Jesus Exist"

"So many independent attestations of Jesus' existence, Ehrman says, are actually "astounding for an ancient figure of any kind ".[2] Ehrman dismisses the idea that the story of Jesus is an invention based on pagan myths of dying-and-rising gods, maintaining that the early Christians were influenced by Jewish ideas, not Greek or Roman ones,[1][2] and repeatedly insists that the idea that there was never such a person as Jesus is not seriously considered by historians or experts in the field at all.[1]"

Have a good night.

Not really. Paul created the religion about Jesus and sold it to the masses. The Roman administration eventually took the religion over and used it to their full advantage.

Apparently.

Professor Bart has some good stuff. I have a number of his lectures.

BTW: Have a good night I'm ought of here for now.

Pauls only connection to Jesus was on the road to Damascus. Not exactly an eye witness for events during his alleged life.

That's for sure.

Coincidence or divine intervention? Dirtfarmer just happened to have a copy of the book, 'Antiquities of the Jews' handy from research he was using that AS referenced in his inaccurate post concerning Jesus.

Surely the chances of that are minuscule.

Not in this group. Considering how often we slug it out on this subject it doesn't surprise me that someone here has a copy of a 2k year old manuscript.

Some call Karma a biotch, AS. I call it justice, by God.

Back up.

single parent family stats

Eyeball knows that prophecy is being fulfilled as we speak. I won't go into the formation of the country of Israel and many other already fulfilled prophecies. These are pretty clear.

What about prophecies pertaining to 2014 and how things are stacking up right now?

The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse comes to mind. Two sources on this topic are Zechariah 6:1-8 and Revelation 6:1-8. The use of the term, "pale" for the 4th horse may better be translated "green" from the Greek word, "chloros" as in green plants. Green is the universal color of Islam, which in itself is a counterfeit, as green is often the color of life, as in medicine. And Islam cherishes death, not life, but that's another story.

Rev, 6:8, "And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with death." Of 2.8 billion muslims , 23% of the world population, 70% reportedly support Sharia law and 90% support execution of apostates. These data, based on surveys, were reported by The Economist Magazine in 2013.

The Green horse is marked by death, and as ISIS marches forth, dividing Iraq into three regions, the map of that region changes as does the power among the most radical jihadist elements, sworn to do battle with and eliminate Israel.

Watch the news and read the Word, read the end of the Book to see how that one plays out....

Interesting developments and all happening so quickly. Do a word search for "suddenly" in Biblical prophecy.

If that doesn't light your fire, your wood is wet...

DF

Amen.

Holy Christ on a cross, you boys are some nutty sons of bitches.

DF, there is not question these ISSI guys are scary. If it is prophesy, it doesn't matter, God's already decided to murder us all (again), but if it's not (like I believe) someone needs to throw a bucked of cold water on the [bleep] and jolt them out of their 7th century barbarism.

In one respect it's good they are forming this new caliphate with all the crazies under one roof. Once we get a REAL president and it's time to clean house, all the rats will be on one ship, and as a nation state, we can declare a real war (none of the authorization of force BS) and finish the job the correct way.

It's good that we go, how could anyone have expected that we would have turned out well after all the brother and sister [bleep] after the Ark struck ground.

You can't see a correlation with "fourth part of the earth" (23% of the world's population, soon to be 25%), sent to kill with sword (quite literally in some cases) and with death, their favorite chant...?

You'd have to work at it pretty hard to not see that...

DF

1.5 Billion Muslims.

7.2 Billion people in the world.

1.5/7.2 = 20.8%

That's one fifth, not one quarter.

The way they reproduce, it won't take long...

DF