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I always figured that if a prophet was the real deal, and knew what he ways doing, he would just speak clearly. No symbolism, no interpretation, just clear prophecy. Instead of different color horses and various strange beasts, they could just say "In 3000 years, a group of people known as Muslims will start all manner of chit, and make a general nuisance of themselves. Many people will die". THAT is a prophecy. If I say a bunch of stuff that might mean anything to anybody and suddenly someone links it to current events, that's really not much of a prophecy, is it? I mean, either you can see the future or you can't, why write in "code", unless you need to make sure no one can say for sure that your were wrong? The Book of Revelations was written for Christians living in Roman times by John it is alleged who at the time was in a Roman prison. It had to be in code for the time and to get the book out of prison. Close, but not quite. Paul wrote from a Roman prison. John wrote Revelation while in exile on the Aegean Sea island of Patmos. Tradition has it that after his exile, he lived in Ephesus where he died. So, the "code" could have been the way the Lord ordained it just 'cause that's the way He wanted it written, not to slip it past Roman jailers... DF Either way it was written for Christians living in Roman times not for Christians living in the 21st century.
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I always figured that if a prophet was the real deal, and knew what he ways doing, he would just speak clearly. No symbolism, no interpretation, just clear prophecy. Instead of different color horses and various strange beasts, they could just say "In 3000 years, a group of people known as Muslims will start all manner of chit, and make a general nuisance of themselves. Many people will die". THAT is a prophecy. If I say a bunch of stuff that might mean anything to anybody and suddenly someone links it to current events, that's really not much of a prophecy, is it? I mean, either you can see the future or you can't, why write in "code", unless you need to make sure no one can say for sure that your were wrong? The Book of Revelations was written for Christians living in Roman times by John it is alleged who at the time was in a Roman prison. It had to be in code for the time and to get the book out of prison. Close, but not quite. Paul wrote from a Roman prison. John wrote Revelation while in exile on the Aegean Sea island of Patmos. Tradition has it that after his exile, he lived in Ephesus where he died. So, the "code" could have been the way the Lord ordained it just 'cause that's the way He wanted it written, not to slip it past Roman jailers... DF Either way it was written for Christians living in Roman times not for Christians living in the 21st century. It speaks to me and I'm in the 21st century. DF
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Yep, Doc, and evil has become good.
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If being stupid allows me to believe in Him, I'd wish to be a retard. Eisenhower and G Washington should be good company.
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It's about how one sees life. Saul of Tarsus fought Truth with a religious zeal.
Then, there was that incident on the road to Damascus.
When his eyes were finally opened, Saul, now Paul, saw with a different light from the Light within him. As a spiritual man for the first time, he no longer saw the world as a natural man, even a religious natural man.
The rest is history, or His story,
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I'd say its quite the opposite,actually. Parables can be used to make something more clear, explaining it in laymans terms if you will. Anyone can read a parable and understand what is being said. Prophesy on the other hand, is done in quite the opposite way, turning something that should be simple and clear into something that is unclear and open to interpretation.
As for the natural man not being able to understand piritual thing, I don't buy that either. If that were so, no one would ever become "spiritual" due to lack of understanding. Its also a cheap cop out when someone pokes holes in an argument. You simply say that they can't understand it because they lack some sort of hidden knowledge that you posses. It allows the supposed holder of this hidden knowledge to not be required to try to explain their unsupportable position while at the same time allowing them to feel superior to the "natural man". Another excellent post.
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I'd say its quite the opposite,actually. Parables can be used to make something more clear, explaining it in laymans terms if you will. Anyone can read a parable and understand what is being said. Prophesy on the other hand, is done in quite the opposite way, turning something that should be simple and clear into something that is unclear and open to interpretation.
As for the natural man not being able to understand piritual thing, I don't buy that either. If that were so, no one would ever become "spiritual" due to lack of understanding. Its also a cheap cop out when someone pokes holes in an argument. You simply say that they can't understand it because they lack some sort of hidden knowledge that you posses. It allows the supposed holder of this hidden knowledge to not be required to try to explain their unsupportable position while at the same time allowing them to feel superior to the "natural man". Not hidden at all, available to all...
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Either way it was written for Christians living in Roman times not for Christians living in the 21st century. Either way, it wasn't written for you, by your own choosing. FWIW it was written for all Christians, but has not come to fruition yet.
We may know the time Ben Carson lied, but does anyone know the time Hillary Clinton told the truth?
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Either way it was written for Christians living in Roman times not for Christians living in the 21st century. Either way, it wasn't written for you, by your own choosing. FWIW it was written for all Christians, but has not come to fruition yet. It was written for all humanity.
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It's about how one sees life. Saul of Tarsus fought Truth with a religious zeal.
Then, there was that incident on the road to Damascus.
When his eyes were finally opened, Saul, now Paul, saw with a different light from the Light within him. As a spiritual man for the first time, he no longer saw the world as a natural man, even a religious natural man.
The rest is history, or His story,
DF Saul, who wrote 1/2 the new testament, who never met Jesus prior to his crucifixion, and only interaction allegedly occurred on a read in the middle of nowhere. That a pretty tenuous connection.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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I think it's ironic that a vocal atheist is every bit as annoying as a vocal Christian.
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I think it's ironic that a vocal atheist is every bit as annoying as a vocal Christian.
Travis Those pesky facts can be real annoying.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
You cannot over estimate the unimportance of nearly everything. John Maxwell
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I think it's ironic that a vocal atheist is every bit as annoying as a vocal Christian.
Travis Those pesky facts can be real annoying. To who? Travis
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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It's about how one sees life. Saul of Tarsus fought Truth with a religious zeal.
Then, there was that incident on the road to Damascus.
When his eyes were finally opened, Saul, now Paul, saw with a different light from the Light within him. As a spiritual man for the first time, he no longer saw the world as a natural man, even a religious natural man.
The rest is history, or His story,
DF Saul, who wrote 1/2 the new testament, who never met Jesus prior to his crucifixion, and only interaction allegedly occurred on a read in the middle of nowhere. That a pretty tenuous connection. But, he did meet Him, on the road to Damascus... DF
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It's about how one sees life. Saul of Tarsus fought Truth with a religious zeal.
Then, there was that incident on the road to Damascus.
When his eyes were finally opened, Saul, now Paul, saw with a different light from the Light within him. As a spiritual man for the first time, he no longer saw the world as a natural man, even a religious natural man.
The rest is history, or His story,
DF Saul, who wrote 1/2 the new testament, who never met Jesus prior to his crucifixion, and only interaction allegedly occurred on a read in the middle of nowhere. That a pretty tenuous connection. But, he did meet Him, on the road to Damascus... DF He claims he did. What actually happened is debatable.
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You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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I think it's ironic that a vocal atheist is every bit as annoying as a vocal Christian.
Travis Atheists can't be too bright. Even demons believe and tremble... Satan himself isn't an atheist...  DF
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I think it's ironic that a vocal atheist is every bit as annoying as a vocal Christian.
Travis Atheists can't be too bright. Even demons believe and tremble... Satan himself isn't an atheist... DF Great. Show me one of these trembling demons.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
You cannot over estimate the unimportance of nearly everything. John Maxwell
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It's about how one sees life. Saul of Tarsus fought Truth with a religious zeal.
Then, there was that incident on the road to Damascus.
When his eyes were finally opened, Saul, now Paul, saw with a different light from the Light within him. As a spiritual man for the first time, he no longer saw the world as a natural man, even a religious natural man.
The rest is history, or His story,
DF Saul, who wrote 1/2 the new testament, who never met Jesus prior to his crucifixion, and only interaction allegedly occurred on a read in the middle of nowhere. That a pretty tenuous connection. But, he did meet Him, on the road to Damascus... DF He claims he did. What actually happened is debatable. No doubt to Paul what happened, maybe to those who weren't there... DF
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Atheists can't be too bright. That's a sure-fire way to win em' over...tell em' how stupid they are for feeling the way that they do...! <<shakin' head and rollin' eyes emoticon>>
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Atheists can't be too bright. That's a sure-fire way to win em' over...tell em' how stupid they are for feeling the way that they do...! <<shakin' head and rollin' eyes emoticon>> You right. Probably need to back track on that one... 
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