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Metal over old shingles is done everywhere to save money but it's not the best way to do it. Standing rib metal is the one without visible fasteners. It's the best way to do.

Carriage House by Certainteed. That's what me and wife nailed on.

Buy once-cry once

You're FOS, totally.

Where have I heard this before? LMFAO

I can roof a house without underlayment and it won't leak (barring any ice dam conditions)

I've ripped shingles off that were chalked and laid directly on plywood decking. 20 yrs on, burnt to a crisp- decking looked white as new. No leaks. Seen it dozens and dozens of times.

Owens Corning with the highest wind rating available, will give you the heaviest-duty nailing strip, which is the only part of a shingle that actually needs to be strong.

Have him install it with 7 nails per shingle. It won't come off.

Here in Rhode Island, GAF Timberlines are big. I've got them, and my Mom and Aunts. I got the best roof contractor I could find and paid for the whole system. It was $4,800 to go over existing and I paid $10K for the whole thing to be redone from scratch. It's only been three years but it looks gorgeous. My guy and his workers are from Bulgaria and they hand nailed my entire roof. My house is plank on frame, and there are plenty of cracks for the nails to miss. By hand, they should notice and sink an extra nail here and there.

rob, got a picture? How many sq ft is your house?

I've been a roofing contractor for over 30 years. CertainTeed is making the best product right now in my opinion. A good contractor to properly install them is far more important than brand.

Underlayment is there to protect the roof in case something happens to the shingles. Any well laid composition roof won't leak. Many are not well laid.

I just had Owens Corning shingles put on in early June. Probably the most correct thing I've heard so far is that without proper installation, it doesn't matter what brand of shingle you buy, it's only a matter of time before there is a problem.

Both my places have metal roofs and I would not have it any other way. They will outlive me.

But hey...if y'all want to roof your house with no underlayment ...y'all go for it ...I got no problem with that.

I stand corrected...underlayment is totally unnecessary...why not save that extra $50...damn engineers don't really know what they're talking about most of the time anyway.

Living in California where it doesn't snow and the summers are moderate is fairly easy on roofs. The previous one I had installed with Elk Prestique II shingles lasted 26 years, and never leaked, but a wind storm began to tear chunks off the exposed edges, so I replaced it. I never liked the plywood deck the contractor put down, he failed to stagger a few seams and missed nailing the edges to the old open sheathing, which made lines in the shingles, but then again it remained watertight. Meanwhile that contractor died.

The new contractor is Diamond Certified and has a good reputation so I went with GAF Timberline Ultra HD shingles over Tiger Paw Roof Deck Protection. Once the old shingles were torn off, the contractor mentioned the poor plywood job and recommended repairing a few places. I decided to replace the entire plywood deck and do it right this time. That added $4,000 to the cost for the tear-off and replacement. The job included all new pipe collars, edge nosing, valley and chimney flashings, front gutters and downspouts, two Attic Breeze solar powered vent fans, and wood repairs. Total cost ran $21,000. The old roof cost $9,600 in 1988 for 3000 sq ft.

The new warranty is for 25 years labor and lifetime materials, something they call "Golden Pledge" (yeah sure). The gimick is that GAF sends an inspector out after the roof has weathered in a couple of months to ensure it was installed correctly, and (one would assume) make any repairs. So, if everything works out I'll croak before this roof needs replacement, Mrs. Wrangler can worry about it.

Now if it would just rain, all that work and no rain to test it.

You have to really watch out for those "10 year Lifetime Warranty's".

Underlayment is for temporarily drying a roof in, and apart from stick-down ice-dam barriers, waterproofs nothing. 30# felt installed in layers above the exposure line on wooden shakes/shingles actually does offer resistance against water penetration.

yep,lots of guys here only use 15lb felt to save money but if you are going to leave it long without shingles it will blow off.

i figure the guys the install metal over shingles figure that if the metal leaks the tar in the shingles where the screws go in will stop the leaks. looks to me like the metal will sweat all over the shingles and burn them up in a few years.. then all you have is a mess.

I'm not a roofer, but I just re-roofed our home with GAF Timberline NS shingles.

The architectural shingles are far more robust than the old 3-tab. Your contractor may prefer them for availability. I got mine from HomeyD. The final appearance is very nice.

Metal direct contact over shingles is stupid. Especially if plywood is the structural panel.

The grit will rub scratch marks in the primed underside of the metal.

You'll also get 'oil can dents' screwing the metal to the inconsistant surface beneath. It needs to be latticed out horrizontally with 1x4s or 1x6s

Do this really need to be explained?

Jeezus H


And yes underlayment is good stuff, I like #30. And by God it aint $50 to do a house. That chit is $20 bucks a roll GRANDPA! 2 square roll. Yeah, extra $200 is cheap insurance if you let pothead 18 yr old dummasses and your retarded nephews do your roof.

Carry on.