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The 45/90 WCF and the 45/90 Sharps are dimensionally the same. The Sharps then and now had/has a quicker twist to stabilize long heavy slugs. The leverguns otoh usually used a 300 grain "Express" slug. Heavier slugs in the levergun are more limited by the maximum O.A.L. the rifle will handle to function through the action. Barrels are easy, action length is action length.
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Turnbull and others told me that the case dimensions were different between the WCF and the Sharps. I bought some Redding WCF dies , Starline brass , 3031 powder (recommended by Turnbull)and I already have primers. I am in a group buy for an hollow base bullet mold with an extra blank plug to make it a solid slug( solid will be in the 400gr range) I would also like to get a 500gr and a 300gr mold just to experiment with what the rifle will do and how I will be able to handle it.
And I can not weight to get it. Turnbull just started it and we have been emailing back and forth with what I would like and what they can do. I have asked them to let me know when they get the barrel what the actual twist and bore of the barrel is so that I can get set up proper for the castings.
I have to say at least at this point Turnbull seams like a great company. Their staff has been very helpful with my questions.
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Be sure and have em twist that barrel for the heavies too FS, congrats to ya and cant wait to see pics, then dead critter pics this fall.
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I am new to customs How would the faster twist for the heavy hitters affect the lighter slugs?
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An 18 or 20 twist will shoot 300 to just over 500 grains with ease, and equal accuracy in both.
I have 18 twist Sharps rifles and can easily stabilize the 540 gr Creedmoore bullets, although my favoritte weights are 520 gr, in both paper patch and greasers.
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Thank You gunner500 I just sent Turnbull an email with the request for an 18 twist.
I asked what their twist in the standard barrel is but they have not told me what it is yet.
They are still trying to get the sights that I want put on it.
I am getting anxiousness.
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You're welcome FS, it's gonna be a literal BLAST.
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Turnbull just informed me. Tat the 1:18 twist would be an additional $1200 to retool the barrel. Their standard twist is 1:20. I will go with the 1:20
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20 twist will be fine.
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OK I need some help. I am getting ready to order some slug molds for this rifle 45-90 WCF) I am on a group buy for a MiHec 45-70 hollow base 392 gr. and with a plain base pin 415gr solid. I may make a Gas Check pin for this after I get the mold. The buy has been going on for 2 1/2 years so I am not holding my breath on this one.
I am looking at Accurate molds and found a 46-325CG and a 46-500BG both with gas checks. I will order them with a .462 dia. and squish them down to a possible .460 with my lubber.
I have asked Turnbull for the bore dia. of the actual rifle and they have not responded as of yet so I will hold of on my sizing Die for now.
Am I going in the right direction or is there something that I should be looking into.
Any advise would be appreciated.
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Call Jerry Dean at Powder Inc. and order some 505 gr flat nosed grease groove bullets sized to 458"
You can drive em to an easy 1300 fps and they will kill anything in the US.
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My bet is, Turnbull's will give you a quality barrel with a .458 diameter bore.
While not intimately familiar with Turnbulls, I would guess that a mold that throws a .460" diameter bullet will do you just fine. Being .001" - .002" oversize from bore diameter is good, .004 over is getting into risky territory as you will be sizing them down a lot.
I have three rifles with .458 bores, one Marlin 1895, one custom Mauser in .458WM, and a Shiloh 1874 in .45-70. All three prefer nothing larger than .460. The Shiloh, since I'm shooting Holy Black in it, even shoots .456"-.457" plain base bullets well.
I have a Lyman 405gr mold that throws .460" bullets if you would like to try it before you make any final decisions.
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The .460 after sizing was what I was thinking.
do you think that the different weights are a good variety or should I stick with one like Gunner500 suggested.
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Whether you're gonna shoot black or a nice clean charge of IMR-3031 either will bump a 458" lead slug up plenty for maximum accuracy, plus, the 505 Dean bullet 'WILL' function through your magazine and action.
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I was already thinking of the shotgun stock with the recoil pad but I am wondering as I get older (I am already in my mid 50s) that it may be nice to have some added help. Is the added weight that much more. I have an 1886 with a curved steel but plate (non shotgun style). I bought a butt stock and fore end to restock it and will be putting on a shotgun style with recoil pad! I have a 45-90 on a 1885 with shotgun style butt and a good recoil pad. It is more pleasant to shoot than that 1886. There's two things that come on these rifles that I don't care for one is those miserable butt plates and the other is the buck horn sights. I put a apperature sight on the 86 and have a tang site on the 85. I'm in my 60's and I prefer the cushion and prefer something that I can easily sight through.
I prefer classic. Semper Fi I used to run with the hare. Now I'm envious of the tortoise and I do my own stunts but rarely intentionally
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I ordered an adjustable rear barrel mounted ladder sight and an aperture level front sight for the one I ordered.
I did not like the looks of the steel but plate. I hurt just looking at it. So I wimped out for the shotgun padded stock.
I talked to them last week and they told me they were just finishing up an order for Winchester (maybe some limited additions). Mine would be coming up for manufacture soon.
I am getting anxious .
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Tracy told me it is getting close to being finished.
She will be contacting me soon.
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I will ask this question in the optics section as well.
Turnbull informed me that my sight combination is not working out to well.
They are going to order a tang sight and put it on to fix my problem. It is what I wanted and someone there told me they could not get the tang sight.
They directed me to Montana Vintage Arms. As I looked threw what they offer I noticed the Winchester B Series Scope.
Has anyone here on the Fire seen one of these scopes and if so what are they like.
I would like to keep the rifle as period correct as possible and this scope looks interesting.
Any advise?
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Scope won't work too well on a top eject rifle like the '86. How about a receiver sight like a "climbing Lyman"? Providence Tool Co makes a new replica.
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