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stick, why the 42 over the 36 ? I'm really liking the FXII 6x36 with M1s as I can get them really low with DD rings - so much so that I'm converting all to such over time. At my skill level I've got no business shooting at game over 700yds so distance/magnification isn't really a factor. ![[Linked Image]](http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x134/utahlefty/Hunting/DSC05864.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x134/utahlefty/Hunting/DSC05868.jpg)
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The 36 is a POS in compare. It takes hits in all optical facets,that bear fruit and I honestly don't know a single soul who can stomach one...though there's literally 100's of 6x42's in circulation with pards.
Distance is a function of knowing same and correlating POA/POI intersections,which mechanically are limited by:
1) erector travel latitude 2) reticle subtension latitude 3) their melding in conjunction
This of course removing atmospheric wind from the equation,which is VooDoo more so than Physics and moot as per erector discussions.
I OFTEN hear "I'm never going to shoot that far!",prior to taking someone out for some hands on for the first time. It's a lovely Theorum,that holds water...until the first shot.(grin)
To connect those dots,prior to doing same,I always offer the constant of whatever distance you can break a clean shot on crosshair intersection,that's what you can do with POA/POI correlation. Typically it isn't a function of "too much" distance,rather a function of the Operator's abilities,in conjunction with their knack for finding and using a field rest. I'll ALWAYS ask "can you hold it?",prior to a round being chambered and if so,bet your ass that is where it will go. So it's "send it".
The 6x42 has no equal in eye-relief,ease of acquisition,exceedingly generous eye box,brightness and erector travel to weight ratios. None.
Very easy to eek 50MOA of erector latitude out of one,the other side of a 200-ish yd zero and slap schit in other zipcodes silly.
Looking at your dope,there's no way I'd zero a 280AI at 150yds for ANY reason. The 160X is a bitter pill,even though noone LOVES X's more than I. The whole point is to maximize the platform,so as to yield the most potential as a default setting,which is of course it's zero. That is factored by numerous things,including application,velocity and BC.
In summation,I am happy to launch 162's out of a 7-08 at 2700fps and a 225yd zero...well past the 1000yd line via the 6x42.
Flip side being,you couldn't run fast enough to catch me,in order to GIVE me a 6x36 for free.................(hint)
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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thanks for writing all that up. I'll be working on my son's 7-08 in the offseason and will keep it in mind (it's already in service this season - in fact he killed his first deer with it Saturday last). I'll inquire about the TSX elsewhere ---> elsewhere
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For the OP: https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbth...upold_3_5_10x40_VX_III_w_TMR#Post9128058Available immediately. If you're going variable it's the choice. I could do without the TMR or M1 on the side, but can live with it. ...or you could just get a 6x42 with M1 and be just fine for less $ and a new scope...not that used bothers me. ...or you could go 6 or 10x42 SS. I've only played with the 6x but have more than a little trust in what others claim for the 10x. For the poster wanting simple and rugged with nothing that turns: 6x42 - go ahead and get the LRD, it shines in a fixed power (even if you think you won't use it). Go DNZ on the rings, simple and strong.
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Sir,
You are MEAN,to try and entrap the handicapped in such a fashion!
But I like how you roll.
Laughing!................. He seems good at trapping himself?! If anyone questions what I write, I'm going to tell Ric that I was insulted. May even request that he/she be banned. That will be at my discretion. But in no way will I defend what I write. On a serious note... I've spooled too heavy, yeah? Need to work on that. More serious... what's worse... 1.) feelers hurt or 2.) hit-n-run advice? Only one person gets their feelers hurt (if they let that happen) with #1, or the dozens or hundreds that get affected by bad information in #2? Hmm... this is a tough one... And don't question my questions or I'll go to Ric.
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Them that "do" the least,Whine the most.
Take it to the bank.................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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3.5-10x with an M1 elevation turret would be hard to beat. This was my first thought....
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Stick is spot on.
I can't see how anyone can favorably compare the 6x36 to the 6x42. The 6x36 is pretty unimpressive. They are not in the same league, nor close. I have been saying as much for some time now. Of course, others opinions seem to differ. Everyone has a right to their opinion here, even if it IS wrong......
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Them that "do" the least,Whine the most.
Take it to the bank................. Its a constant, isn't it? Slow on the uptake on my part. J
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If you want "high power" then you want a parallax adjustment, be it side or objective.
Not a fan of the Leupold 6-18x40.
The 4.5-14x40 doesn't really turn my crank either.
I like my VX-II 4-12x40AO, but it has a lot of eye relief even by my standards. If you use that scope, make sure the mounts you choose will allow you to get it forward far enough.
When you say Leupold mounts, which ones do you mean? There are many styles of those, some being less than ideal. I like the Leupold Dual Dovetail bases and rings. NYH1.
Last edited by NYH1; 08/27/14.
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The 6-18x is the most wandering POS Leupold has yet to offer.
Hint.................. What is it about the VX-2 6-18x40mm scope you don't like? NYH1.
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Probably because they don't hold zero...... To start with.
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Dual dovetails are pretty solid.
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A little bit off topic, but I have heard people banging on the 4.5-14x Leupys... does this apply to both the 30mm and 1" tube versions?
This is a shooting forum, there is no place here for logic.
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Yes, but more so for the 1" version.
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All versions suck ass................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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I went to our semi annual gun show this afternoon and bought a used Leupold VARI-X III 4.5-14x50mm Long Range Tactical Scope with a 30mm tube, side focus and target turrets. It's in great shape.
NYH1.
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Would a 15, 20 or 30 MOA offset rail/mount be worth going with now instead of the Leupold Dual Dovetail mounts and rings? I'm going to be shooting from 100 to 500 yards for now. I guess I could always go with the Dual Dovetail mounts and rings for now. Then if or when the time comes when I need to go with a 15, 20 or 30 MOA offset rail/mount on my 308, I could always put the Dual Dovetail mounts and rings on one of my other model 700's that have the standard Leupold mount and rings.
Thanks, NYH1.
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I ended up going with the Leupold Dual Dovetail Base and Rings. For the price.
So this is what I have altogether so far. Remington 700 SPS Varmint 308 Win. 26" 1/12" twist barrel, Leupold VARI-X III 4.5-14x50mm Long Range Tactical 30mm, side focus, target turrets w/ 4" sun shade tube. Leupold Dual Dovetail Base and High Rings. Timny 510 trigger.
I'm not going to be able to buy a good stock anytime soon so I'm might get a pillar bedding kit and install it in my current stock.
NYH1.
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