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I started following this thread after the pictures disappeared so I don't know who's right--and that is actually a good thing.
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<br>If you want me to escrow the funds, I'd be more than happy to do so. Of course there have to be a few conditions.
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<br>First I have to make sure this bet is legal and enforceable under Washington law, as I will simply interplead the funds to the local court to be fought over if this thing goes south.
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<br>Provided it can be done here in Washington, I would require each party to email me and the other party his understanding of what the terms will be. I will incorporate them into a single document and email that document to each party for approval/revision. I expect it will take a few drafts before everyone is happy.
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<br>Once the terms are informally agreed upon, I will Fed Ex the original to one of the parties who will sign it and Fed Ex it to the other party. That party will Fed Ex it to me. I will then accept each party's $10,000.00. The monies will be deposited into an interest bearing account, and all interest will be paid to the winner.
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<br>I will require that the wager be decided by someone agreed upon by the parties, and I would recommend a panel of three people. I would recommend that the majority vote of the panel be final and not subject to appeal. Once I receive the decision from the judges, I will disburse all funds to the winner.
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<br>As the escrow attorney, I will not and cannot exercise any personal discretion. My job will not be to decide anything. I am neutral and am only here to make sure everybody is on the same page as to the terms and to send the money to the man the judges identify as the winner. The judges will simply answer the question of: At the time it was killed, was the ram legal under Alaska law?
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<br>I am 99.9% certain that thing will die a natural death long before it ever begins, but if it does not and you actually want to do it, be warned: I will not do this thing for free--somebody is going to lose $10,000.00 and end up more than a little upset. In my experience, that person will end up on my phone, in my office, or will send his attorney to pay me a visit. I expect my fee to be in the range of $400-$500 as long as everybody plays nice. I suggest the parties each include an extra $500 in their cashier's check. I will refund all of the winner's $500 and deduct my fee from the loser's $500. However, the loser will receive back any change due. If you want it done cheaper--find somebody else. This thing already smells bad and it hasn't even gone sour yet.
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<br>Please do not involve me until each party has his $10,000.00 and has confirmed with the other party that they would like to proceed. Then and only then, contact me as to the next step. Good luck gentlemen.

WADE... I'm getting ahold of a lawyer today or tomorrow and am getting paperwork figured out. There are 3 state laws we need to figure out and other stuff as well. HELL, I'm a janitor so I don'r know the Legal "MUMBO JUMBO".
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<br>Amungst "FRIENDS" I don't mind loosing/winning alot of cash, but the legality here could stem further then you've even mensioned... Just what I need is to win a 10k check and be in courts for the next 2 years spending 20k getting it.
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<br>Once I do WADERS, I'll have him contact you and IIFID at that time in a conference call. I'll will gladly reimburse you for your time and effort in holding the checks...
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<br>THANX for the info.....

I thought about this some more this morning and I would suggest that you use an attorney in Nevada where gambling laws are much less restrictive.
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<br>It would not become a 3 state transaction as each party would agree that the agreement and its terms would be governed by Nevada law--NOT the law of your home state.
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<br>Just a thought. Anybody on the board from Nevada that has used an attorney there?

THANX for the info Waders, We're looking into it....
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<br>WILL have the paperwork drawn up in the next couple of days and can have my lawyer contact any interested parties.... I would just assume it dropped, but I'll gladly take your $$
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<br>Topic is closed from my stand point here, Let's keep Rick out of it. He has clearly stated he wants no part and should not be drug in .
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<br>There is a topic under my board under "big game" section.... http://www.hunttalk.com (Rick If I need to drop you some "COINAGE for "ADVERTISEING" here, lemme know. I am not trying to "SPAM" by any means,,,, And, I'm guessing there is a loyalty here for you too so don't sweat it.
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<br>If you think I'm a prick and don't want register on my board and send me E-mails.
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<br>HAVE a good day.... And let the GAMES begin !!!!!!
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<br>ALSO.... this is my last post here. THANX for the "LESSON" and have a good hunting year !!!
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Moosie I don't think you are a prick
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<br>I know you are one LMBO! (*wink*)

Somebody shut the back door. There has been too many vermin coming in.
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Well, today has been interesting in many ways for me.
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<br>It has been communicated to me that I am basically a good-for-nothing (not the actual terms used) and have only muddied the waters by requiring that the terms be agreed to prior to any money being escrowed. I have also been informed that I am a real SOB for not offering to work for free.
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<br>It seems that I take it on the chops here quite often for being involved in the practice of law. But, I have broad shoulders and every man is entitled to his own opinion. In the future, however, if you feel the need to send me anonymous emails, I would appreciate it if you would not make derogatory references concerning my family, especially my two daughters that are in my pic under my name.
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<br>I offered my involvement because I thought I could help eliminate confusion and prevent any disputes about the outcome of the proposed wager. However, under the circumstances, I think it best that I not be involved and am withdrawing the offer previously posted. There are many trustworthy people out there; you should have no trouble finding someone else to referee this venture.
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Waders,
<br>Personaly,I think your a real MFA.
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<br>WB.
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Wade, I think it fair to say that this post has not brought out the best in more than one person. I have yet to understand why some people think fighting and calling others names is a good use of their time but I suspect there are not a lot of good things in their lives.
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<br>I for one, thought your post was professional and right on target. (And I don't like lawyers) But God forbid I ever need a good one on the wrong coast, you are the man I would call. Lots of good people on the board, don't let the bad ones get you down. TM

Wade, I for one agreed with your actions. Time is a commodity just like hard goods, you did no wrong in my eyes FWIW. As to azzholes that are afraid to stand up for what they believe and say, well............they are just azzholes. Ignore them and move on. Anyone that has to bring a mans family into this kind of thing is no man, just a snot nosed juvinile FOOL.
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<br>Move on my man, you are one of the good guy's IMHO. I know a few decent lawyers, they don't work for free either. Why would anyone think you should just because you post here? Apples and oranges to me.

Waders:
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<br>Please be assured that I was not in any way responsible for any of those emails. I never expect anyone to work for free, and I am certainly aware that all any attorney has to sell is his knowledge and time and the latter is a limited resource. I think it is illegal to threaten someone on the internet and you should attempt to prosecute anyone who does so. If anyone chooses to threaten my family, I will do my utmost to find them and convince them that they should not do so.
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<br>Perhaps as you suggested, this might not be a good thing, I sure don't want anyone to lose money they can't afford to gamble with, nor do I want to be associated with a situation that someone is so involved with that they would stoop so low as to threaten or denigrate someone's family.

The computer crashes for a few days and suddenly theres $10,000 dollars bets and A-holes sending e-mails. Too bad. I think Sitka is a very creditable person and I enjoyed learning stuff I didn't know. I think he could learn the old saying " a cup of sugar helps the medicine go down" and could have posted his questions in less offensive manner, but he's acknowledged that already. I'm not of the thin skinned variety and a little disagreement never gets in the way of picking up new knowledge and I have here. To bad DS doesn't cough up the details and put this to rest. There are two reasons why he wouldn't the first being why should he prove to a bunch of nay-sayers..........., the 2nd being it's not legal. I could understand option number one and hope it's not number two.
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If I do my job for you I expect to get paid!! If you do your job for me I expect a bill...too many #$%^ socialists and products of the welfare state out there for my capitalist pig self!
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Wade,
<br>If you do it for free, you will just get sued if one party or the other doesn't like the result. No good deed goes unpunished. So don't do it for free.
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<br>Guys, I am sending an official ADF&G publication to Rick Bin and also a handout on judging sheep horns by Sheep Hunting in Alaska author, Tony Russ. Hopefully Rick can make them work so they can be posted here or preferrably on a new topic. This one is getting a little long in the tooth.

Waders......sorry to hear that.......I certainly thought you had a good line on how to handle it.
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<br>Dempsey....you've been dead on man, don't lose it now.
<br>Your posting has been 100% right on, and don't lose faith because I quit the battle. Stay the course man.
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<br>NO...yes silence says much, but know this, it's fixing to say more than usual. Don't assume guilt because of it.
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<br>Someone else says......." I bet DS wishes he hadn't posted those pix now"......nothing more true has ever been spoken.
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<br>Rick Bin..I offered several days ago to have the sheep checked officially and have you post the results...never got a reply from you.
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<br>Art, IIFID, Stick and whoever.........get you wallets out boys, we're gonna have a good old fashion dik measuring contest and your all invited to back up your bold statements...expert statements....your all invited.
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<br>I hold the set of horns, say when and where you want them delivered for inspection, they will be there. If they are legal, you drop and ton of cash and respect, not for being wrong, but for the way you handled this witch hunt. If I'm wrong, I have already been drawn and quartered, so that would just leave the head confiscation and a stiff fine. So belly up to the bar boys.....it's time to back up your mouths.......
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slayer
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<br>I never got to see the sheep, would you e-mail a couple of pictures.
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<br>I give you my word they will go no farther than my machine.
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my last post her will be something like this,
<br>bwaaaaahhahahahahaha, hehehehehe,,bwahahaha
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<br>And then "I told you so"!!!!!!!
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<br>I think it has come down to put up or shut up,
<br>You boys still got woodies? or has all your fluff and bluff withered? Do you really have that much faith it sitka?
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<br>I tried to talk to him through a couple e-mails, and have come to the conclusion he is a bully, blowhard, know it all. and I hope you loose big.
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<br>Mike......
<br>dakota_83402@yahoo.com

My friend, fellow writer, taxidermist, bush pilot, and former Alaskan Duncan Gilchrist is also a neigbor up the valley and is or was a director of FNAWS (Foundation for North American Wild Sheep). He lives and breathes wild sheep and would probably be delighted to judge that set of horns to settle how much curl it has and whether it's legal. Should I ask him? Or you can -- [406] 961-4314

I think we've found a solution all can agree would be a honest evaluation and non-partial, with no calls of a "fix".

DS:
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<br>Didn't get your email or maybe missed it. Please sned away. I will cooperate in any way I can to determining what your sheeo scores, etc. I will not be a aprty, nor wil 24hourcampfire.com, Inc., to any bet. What you guys do is among private citizens.
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<br>Send the stuff Slayer.
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<br>Rob:
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<br>I just got in. I will check email try to post your stuff ASAP.
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