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4ager,
You are correct. I am a newbie to 1911s. I bought federal blue box 230g hp self-defense ammo just to see how it runs in my 1911.
My info has been from the web via google searches. The internet is great but also has drawbacks in that some myths, etc keep getting perpetuated. Just this forum alone is enough to perpetuate every scare story and rumor known to the world.
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4ager,
You are correct. I am a newbie to 1911s. I bought federal blue box 230g hp self-defense ammo just to see how it runs in my 1911.
My info has been from the web via google searches. The internet is great but also has drawbacks in that some myths, etc keep getting perpetuated. I also bet you heard not to run handloads in a SD weapon..
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Just like the question of what's the best 22rf match ammo, you gotta try it in your gun.
The good thing about a 45 is even if the hp doesn't expand, it already started out 45 cal and the hp is essentially a pretty decent meplat.
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Do modern 1911's feed hollow point ammunition reliably?
Have you found any particular brand to be problematic or perhaps ones that feed more reliably?
Or is this going to be a trail and error thing find the right ammo that feeds reliably? This could get very expensive trying to find the right self defense ammo.
A side question. 45acps are pretty slow. Is there enough velocity there to allow the hollow point to expand?
Thanks for your feedback! All modern manufactured 1911's have barrels that are properly throated for hollow points. Hollow point feeding shouldn't be a problem.
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Most problems with a 1911 feeding a HP is in the A 1. It was specifitly designed for hard ball and feed ramp on some may need some work. Utter BS and responsible for more f'd up 1911s than any other hack. Proper 1911 function with varying bullet profiles is based on magazine release timing. Not always my observation. I've encountered GI 1911's that had problems with the flatter JHP's regardless of magazine. Barrel throating does aid in feeding of the flatter bullets. But in general, what you said goes for over 90% of pistols/bullets...most times it's the magazine.
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Do modern 1911's feed hollow point ammunition reliably?
Have you found any particular brand to be problematic or perhaps ones that feed more reliably?
Or is this going to be a trail and error thing find the right ammo that feeds reliably? This could get very expensive trying to find the right self defense ammo.
A side question. 45acps are pretty slow. Is there enough velocity there to allow the hollow point to expand?
Thanks for your feedback! All modern manufactured 1911's have barrels that are properly throated for hollow points. Hollow point feeding shouldn't be a problem. This. If you buy a 1911 that doesn't feed hollow points, send it back. Feeding is a thing of the past when it comes to the 1911. They are extremely reliable!
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Rancho Loco, YES! Believe it or not, I heard that you shouldn't use handloads/reloads for self defense. Think I heard that info link to Massad Ayoob? I see we heard the same rumor, lol!
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Yes they do! And Speer GoldDots are hard to beat for the money! Never have had an issue after 500/1000 rounds of initial shooting to sort out a new pistol. Good magazines (for me Wilson) help a bunch. Gold Dots are a favorite. Run the gun and see for yourself.
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Speaking of the internet and 1911s. Anybody see that youtube video by James Yeager: "1911s suck"?
Interesting opinions, yes?
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Most problems with a 1911 feeding a HP is in the A 1. It was specifitly designed for hard ball and feed ramp on some may need some work. Utter BS and responsible for more f'd up 1911s than any other hack. Proper 1911 function with varying bullet profiles is based on magazine release timing. Not always my observation. I've encountered GI 1911's that had problems with the flatter JHP's regardless of magazine. Barrel throating does aid in feeding of the flatter bullets. But in general, what you said goes for over 90% of pistols/bullets...most times it's the magazine. My statement is based on 1911 design and proper execution of the design. The 10% (or whatever) that you say operate differently are out of spec or of different design.
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Rancho Loco, YES! Believe it or not, I heard that you shouldn't use handloads/reloads for self defense. Think I heard that info link to Massad Ayoob? I see we heard the same rumor, lol! I think most of this is if you get an aggressive liberal attorney (prosecutor/civil) against you they will try to portray you as a "load your own gun nut". In front of 12 jurors (peers)that don't handload themselves. Your defense most recommended is to use the same as the local police. I do not buy in to that much.
Gun Shows are almost as comical as boat ramps in the Spring.
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FTF's (not Gun related) Look at:
#1 Magazine profile, quality ( some need to be broken in)
#2 Ammo
#3 Dirt
#4 Limp wristing
FTF's (gun related) [after break end] Look at:
#1 Ramp
#2 Chamber Opening ( a lot of jambs are at the top of the opening [magazine influence combined with also])
#3 Rough breech face
#4 Extractor clearance (while your at it, look at the hook profile)
#5 Spring balanced with load
#6 slide velocity ( part of gun balancing)
Then it gets down to quality, metal burs, individual parts, etc.
Gun Shows are almost as comical as boat ramps in the Spring.
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Rancho Loco, YES! Believe it or not, I heard that you shouldn't use handloads/reloads for self defense. Think I heard that info link to Massad Ayoob? I see we heard the same rumor, lol! I think most of this is if you get an aggressive liberal attorney (prosecutor/civil) against you they will try to portray you as a "load your own gun nut". In front of 12 jurors (peers)that don't handload themselves. Your defense most recommended is to use the same as the local police. I do not buy in to that much. It has never happened, and is only the byproduct of basement dwellers spending way too much time on the internet, or in front of super market magazine racks while mom is shopping.
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I use my handloads in all my carry weapons.
I do not read gun magazines anymore.
My mom is dead
Forgot one thing.......
GFY
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Well I bought the RIA 1911a1, so far it has eaten Blazer and plain old Remington 230 jhps. I got lucky i guess. I don't think your results are strictly the result of luck. That RIA 1911 platform looks like pretty darn good bang for the buck.
Slaves get what they need. Free men get what they want. Rehabilitation is way overrated. Orwell wasn't wrong. GOA member disappointed NRA member 24HCF SEARCH
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I use my handloads in all my carry weapons.
I do not read gun magazines anymore.
My mom is dead
Forgot one thing.......
GFY You left out the basement part. Busted!
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Buy 1911 Run whatever you get your hands on Assess results Proceed accordingly
That's how I did/do it.
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FTF's (gun related) [after break end] Look at:
#1 Ramp
#2 Chamber Opening ( a lot of jambs are at the top of the opening [magazine influence combined with also])
#3 Rough breech face
#4 Extractor clearance (while your at it, look at the hook profile)
#5 Spring balanced with load
#6 slide velocity ( part of gun balancing)
Then it gets down to quality, metal burs, individual parts, etc. Why wait until after break in?
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You do not really have too. Just keep it the back of your mind if you are getting FTF's on an occasional basis, and nothing else stands out. I would not modify anything drastic with just a few loads through the gun. Test different loads, magazines.
If you are to carry the gun, then a longer history of no FTF's is needed. Carry with the proven ammo, magazine. All that good stuff.
Gun Shows are almost as comical as boat ramps in the Spring.
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Gibby,
It was a rhetorical question. IMO, every firearm that's going to be a shooter should get that type of treatment before firing a single round.
Forgive me my nonsense, as I also forgive the nonsense of those that think they talk sense. Robert Frost
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