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If you don't think the .357 Mag has been almost completely replaced for serious self-defense and hunting use you're in dreamland.
I guess I live in dreamland, because the 357 is used for serious self defense and hunting by plenty of the folks I know.
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This is just a personal opinion, but I think if most people put up with the noise and racket of the .357, they'd also put up with the attendant recoil of something larger....now a down loaded, low flash .357 (38 Special?)still has merit.
I think most use their .357's in this manner as opposed to a 125gr. hollow point atop a pile of H110/296, which pretty much is like nails on a chalkboard, on your eardrums.
The 45 Auto is far from obsolete.
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The 45 ACP and 357 don't seem to be talked about much anymore. Have they been declining or just about these days. As for the .357 Magnum, it was first touted as the ultimate handgun hunting round, but was dethroned in that by the .44 Magnum. That still left it as king of the police handgun calibers, but when they went to autos it lost its position there too.
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No, its still the king in FBI testing protocol and law enforcement track records. That's the reason for the 357sig.
357 makes for a stellar trail gun, which doubles for a good 38 as well.
J-frame 60s were changed to 357 in '96, I believe. There are tons upon tons of those about from the last 18 years of manufacture. One of those loaded up with the current Speer LE 38 135GD short barrel loads make for an outstanding conceal carry handgun for self-defense against two-legged road apples.
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They have both been largely surpassed performance-wise by the 327 MAG and the 45 GAP cartridges - But unfortunately many of the experts here are slow to embrace the future. 
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Yeah I've heard all the same crap before about the 30-06 and 7x57. Obsolete, surpassed, yada yada yada. Still just as effective as they ever were, and more so, with modern powders, bullets, etc.
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No, its still the king in FBI testing protocol and law enforcement track records. That's the reason for the 357sig.
357 makes for a stellar trail gun, which doubles for a good 38 as well.
J-frame 60s were changed to 357 in '96, I believe. There are tons upon tons of those about from the last 18 years of manufacture. One of those loaded up with the current Speer LE 38 135GD short barrel loads make for an outstanding conceal carry handgun for self-defense against two-legged road apples. Really!? Close to a million LEOs across the USA must be dying to trade in their hi-caps for revolvers.
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They have both been largely surpassed performance-wise by the 327 MAG and the 45 GAP cartridges - -
But unfortunately many of the experts here are slow to embrace the future.
No, both the 357mag and the 357sig outperform the 45GAP in five of the six categories of FBI protocol testing, plus they outperform the 45GAP in the IWBA heavy clothing test. The only category the 45GAP can hang is the FBI protocol steel testing. In that category they are near a dead heat. The 327mag was developed by Federal and I do not believe it passed the protocol testing for them to offer a Law Enforcement round in that chambering.
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I don't think it was just the "experts" who weren't impressed with what the 327 and 45 GAP had to offer over existing rounds, judging by their meager showings in current manufacturer catalogs.
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No, its still the king in FBI testing protocol and law enforcement track records. That's the reason for the 357sig.
357 makes for a stellar trail gun, which doubles for a good 38 as well.
J-frame 60s were changed to 357 in '96, I believe. There are tons upon tons of those about from the last 18 years of manufacture. One of those loaded up with the current Speer LE 38 135GD short barrel loads make for an outstanding conceal carry handgun for self-defense against two-legged road apples. Really!? Close to a million LEOs across the USA must be dying to trade in their hi-caps for revolvers. Been in the business for close to three decades, and yes, quite a number, both new and old, carry a small revolver as their secondary concealed handgun.
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Been in the business for close to three decades, and yes, quite a number, both new and old, carry a small revolver as their secondary concealed handgun. What happened to the .357 Mag as the primary weapon?
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The .45 ACP has never been more alive and well in the civilian market, but the .357 Mag is on the way out. Defensive revolvers themselves are on the way out, and the .357 Mag has been no closer than 4th place amongst handgun hunters for decades. My thoughts as well.
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Defensive revolvers themselves are on the way out .. While this may be true, it's not for good reason, IMO.
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I think most of us forget that calibers that may be obsolete for military and police work, works just fine for civilian use.
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I have never been a fan of the .357. But it will always be popular.
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45ACP and 357 magnum tend to be standards other calibers are compared too! Both great cartridges that will be around for a long time to come. Top two performing SD rounds will never die.
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I have never been a fan of the .357. But it will always be popular.
Travis I'm not a huge fan of the .357 either. But I think it makes a great all around round for the guy who doesn't own or want a lot of handguns, especially if he doesn't reload. Makes for a good SD, practice (with 38s), and field gun, all housed in one packable package that won't kick him out from underneath his hat. I always thought of it as the 30-06 of handgun cartridges.
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I have never been a fan of the .357. But it will always be popular.
Travis I'm not a huge fan of the .357 either. But I think it makes a great all around round for the guy who doesn't own or want a lot of handguns, especially if he doesn't reload. Makes for a good SD, practice (with 38s), and field gun, all housed in one packable package that won't kick him out from underneath his hat. I always thought of it as the 30-06 of handgun cartridges. Yes. Very versatile. Matter of fact, my son has pretty much skipped the 22LR part of handgunning. 38 Specials are what he loves and is learning on. Travis
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Cool! Heck it's just as cheap to cast and reload 38s as it is to pay the going rate for 22 ammo.
I'm sorta having a return to the 38. Been shooting it a bunch lately. Don't know why I gravitated away from it, but a recently acquired LCR and a police trade-in S&W 15 have really got me loving it again.
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Cool! Heck it's just as cheap to cast and reload 38s as it is to pay the going rate for 22 ammo.
I'm sorta having a return to the 38. Been shooting it a bunch lately. Don't know why I gravitated away from it, but a recently acquired LCR and a police trade-in S&W 15 have really got me loving it again. Shiiiiit. Doesn't get much better than that. Mini-'flave has been shooting this Model 14. It simply bug holes EVERYTHING we feed it. I picked it up for $375 (?), replaced the hammer and trigger because some dickhead over worked them, I stoned what needed stoning and put 15lb springs in for the return and main. I have a 19 to go with. ![[Linked Image]](http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj220/deflave25_2008/P1010260_zps4183d570.jpg) Travis
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