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I don't know the answers to those questions
but the default answer isn't "shoot now, evaluate later"
if you're a policeman and you're looking for justification to why you should shoot someone, such as "yea, a guy could paint an orange tip on any gun" or "people don't panic because they look at their cell phone" then there is a serious problem
If you can rationalize why you should ignore the situation around you because there is a threat that is life endangering to you and that is the only possible scenario, then how can you ever be trusted to protect the public? Their justification was they ordered him to drop the gun, and instead of doing that he went from dangling it with one hand to bring it into a two handed grip or a firing grip. If I tell you to drop the gun, and instead of dropping it, you raise it up towards me and get a two handed grip on it, While looking straight at mei'm going to take it that you mean to kill me. He was looking the officer square in the eyes when he placed his second hand on the gun like object. You're only saying that out of fear, or wanting to fit in. Hawkeye said so
The government plans these shootings by targeting kids from kindergarten that the government thinks they can control with drugs until the appropriate time--DerbyDude
Whatever. Tell the oompa loompa's hey for me. [/quote]. LtPPowell
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Man... You better be afraid of the joos Bigot. Yep, i'm always spewing anti jewish statements and propoganda If that's the case, you shouldn't. It's just not right to speak of "the Jews" as if they are a monolith. You will find all kinds among them, both good and bad.
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Man... You better be afraid of the joos Bigot. Yep, i'm always spewing anti jewish statements and propoganda If that's the case, you shouldn't. It's just not right to speak of "the Jews" as if they are a monolith. You will find all kinds among them, both good and bad. Not according to you. You tell us all the time how the jews are taking over the world to destroy it.
The government plans these shootings by targeting kids from kindergarten that the government thinks they can control with drugs until the appropriate time--DerbyDude
Whatever. Tell the oompa loompa's hey for me. [/quote]. LtPPowell
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Not according to you. You tell us all the time how the jews are taking over the world to destroy it. Not so. In fact, I've stated many times that I disagree with those who, like you, speak of "the Jews" monolithically, as though they all agree, and are of one accord, on all matters. Nice hijack effort, though.
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Is there a better copy of the video/audio sync out there?
Because I'm hearing the officers first yell something at about 8:26:55.10
No reaction by Crawford until 8:26:56.0, where he starts to drop down with the rifle and yell "It's not real". At no point do I see the muzzle of the rifle he's holding go past Crawfords left leg, until after the shots.
First shot right before 8:26:56.2, second shot by 8:26:56.25
1.1 seconds to comply fully and accurately with the officers commands, and yet slowly enough to not seem furtive or aggressive? This, when reaction time to seeing brake lights go off right in front of you is 1 second.
GMAFB.
So while I can see how the GJ reached a no-bill, if the DOJ ruins the shooter's life, well I'm OK with that too.
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your flippant remarks which you so adeptly sling
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LOL yeah!! He just shows houses to people. Realtors don't know what it is like to belong to a manly occupational group that will take a call over vandalism to a home and show up and rape the home's owner to put her in her place while one of their co-workers keeps a watch on the front door like you in the police biz do. And if he/they did, they damn sure wouldn't get by with it like police do.
"My message to my troops is if you see anybody carrying a gun on the streets of Milwaukee, we'll put them on the ground, take the gun away and then decide whether you have a right to carry it." - Milwaukee Police Chief Ed Flynn
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Yep, sure am. You looking for a house near Austin? I've got contacts... But I see that you don't have anything to say about the timeline I presented, nor the fact that all you LEOs tout that "one second minimum to react" time when talking about the downfalls of tailgating. And that's just to move your right foot from accelerator to brake. With no never mind paid to whether or not it's furtive.
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No I didn't debate the timeline. I didn't even watch the video. Personally I think tailgating is great. How else will slow people know you hate them?
The realtor LOL had nothing to do with this thread. I just think realtors are funny.
"Hey, let me tell people your house is for sale."
"You mean just like the Internet does?"
"It's complicated. Give me 6% of your money."
Remember travel agents? One day we'll remember realtors the same way. Just as soon as people see through the "it's complicated" smoke and mirrors.
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toy gun Readily available in the toy gun isle where this guy was shot at the walmart ![[Linked Image]](http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31fwXJMWs3L.jpg) not toy gun readily available at walmart ![[Linked Image]](http://21stcenturyasianarmsrace.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/us-bushmaster-advanced-combat-rifle.jpg) Not sure how this clears the cops for shooting a guy who appears to me to be laying his "weapon" down Actually our local walmart did have a couple of SCARs for sale, But i see your point, police now need to be inventory specialists for walmart. I'll pass that on. You need to catch a bus to fairy land with stink eye No. They need to not shoot people who are laying down the gun like they were to to do by the exact same cops who told them to lay it down. Really, are you simple minded? The job of the cops is not to shoot people. It is to make arrests.
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I agree with the guy who posted that if the attitudes by cops here are indicative of the force as a whole the whole lot of you need fired.
We had more stringent rules of engagement on civilians in Iraq than these jackasses have against US civilians in a walmart.
This is out of control.
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your flippant remarks which you so adeptly sling
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I guess I'm a "cop here"......what is my attitude, exactly? What impact does this shooting, or the one in SC, have on me or my PD? Do I have any impact on either event?
You and TRH should, apparently, get to it in your respective areas. I don't think my employers are interested.........
George
�Out of every one hundred men, ten shouldn't even be there, eighty are just targets, nine are the real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, for they make the battle. Ah, but the one, one is a warrior, and he will bring the others back.�
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toy gun Readily available in the toy gun isle where this guy was shot at the walmart not toy gun readily available at walmart Not sure how this clears the cops for shooting a guy who appears to me to be laying his "weapon" down Actually our local walmart did have a couple of SCARs for sale, But i see your point, police now need to be inventory specialists for walmart. I'll pass that on. You need to catch a bus to fairy land with stink eye No. They need to not shoot people who are laying down the gun like they were to to do by the exact same cops who told them to lay it down. Really, are you simple minded? The job of the cops is not to shoot people. It is to make arrests. You attempted to make a point by saying those "not toy", ergo real guns weren't sold at walmart. I made you look like an ass( even though you haven't needed the help) by suggesting that we( police) should all be trained inventory specialists of our local walmarts. He had plenty of time to drop the gun. He chose not to. Full stop end of story. Thanks for playing, and enjoy never never land with TRH
The government plans these shootings by targeting kids from kindergarten that the government thinks they can control with drugs until the appropriate time--DerbyDude
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I've seen more gunplay than you will in your whole life and been in enough to know that if you don't think those cops were wrong then you are the "enemies domestic" some of us have sworn to defend the Republic against.
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I've seen more gunplay than you will in your whole life and been in enough to know that if you don't think those cops were wrong then you are the "enemies domestic" some of us have sworn to defend the Republic against.
Take-A-Knee is that you?
The government plans these shootings by targeting kids from kindergarten that the government thinks they can control with drugs until the appropriate time--DerbyDude
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No dirt bag, it's Colonel Walter.
You?
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No dirt bag, it's Colonel Walter.
You? Dirt bag? You sure you're not Hooks from "police Academy"?
The government plans these shootings by targeting kids from kindergarten that the government thinks they can control with drugs until the appropriate time--DerbyDude
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No. They need to not shoot people who are laying down the gun like they were to to do by the exact same cops who told them to lay it down.
Really, are you simple minded? The job of the cops is not to shoot people. It is to make arrests.
The SC cop knew it was ok to shoot a guy for getting back out of his vehicle as ordered. The prosecutor will really work at making sure he gets off the hook and back on the job and that will be a great precedent for LE. Not sure why you do not support that since the police of this country do.
"My message to my troops is if you see anybody carrying a gun on the streets of Milwaukee, we'll put them on the ground, take the gun away and then decide whether you have a right to carry it." - Milwaukee Police Chief Ed Flynn
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DW, good on you for your service. What do you do in the military?
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