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Secret Service, contrary to TX law, whisks the body away from Parkland once he is pronounced dead. I can picture the Secret Service violating Texas state law without much hesitation. Wouldn't have merited any thought if they had used bona fide docs to do their autopsy, And hadn't "misplaced" his brain.
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I was alive and cognizant at the time. The various conspiracy theories then and now were so convoluted, so complex, and so unconvincing that I have never varied from the principle of Ockham's Razor: the simplest explanation is probable true.
It was Oswald. Alone. Period.
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Secret Service, contrary to TX law, whisks the body away from Parkland once he is pronounced dead. I can picture the Secret Service violating Texas state law without much hesitation. Wouldn't have merited any thought if they had used bona fide docs to do their autopsy, And hadn't "misplaced" his brain. That was kinda what made me start to wonder about the more recent AR15 theory. If he'd been shot with a .223 HP, that brain would have been full of small lead and jacket fragments. Not so with those heavy FMJ's or whatever Oswald was shooting, but it's kinda hard to deny fragments. So, the brain goes missing... Even to this day, if the brain were avl. it could tell us lots about what shot him, and what direction & weapon were used.
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How can a 5.56mm FMJ (.224") expand to 6mm before hitting the skull? I could imagine a bullet causing a slightly larger hole as it punches through something like bone, but have a hard time accepting that bone has enough elasticity to allow it to spring back from a 6.5mm hole to a 6mm.. But, hey, I am not an expert, and strange things sometimes happen.. Well,for me at least, it doesn't pass the common sense and logic test. Like you,I'm not an expert.
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JFK was killed by a shot by Lee Harvey Oswald. That however, is too boring, so people have to spice things up with a bevy of conspiracy theories in which each picks villians of their particular paranoia's.
And if there is a conspiracy, it is far, far, far more likely that it involved the mob, who had always promised his father that they would get back at him for his sins against them in the good ol days. And for JFK's failure to honor their manipulations of the Chicago elections to give him Illinois and enough electoral votes to get elected.
After him would be the Cuban ex-pats.
And his popularity rating was one of the lowest in history of an incumbent president, so it is unlikely anyone was going to spend the effort and risk just to eliminate him.
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I have shot plate metal w/ .223 and the clean hole produced is larger than .223 diameter. May be so with a skull as well? I have large boar skulls headshot with my .223, and it's hard to tell anything, other than half of it is missing...
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Barry! I can run out in the back pasture real quick and photo some skulls with 22 short holes in em! Lots more skull left and just as dead! Would that help?
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I have shot plate metal w/ .223 and the clean hole produced is larger than .223 diameter. May be so with a skull as well? I have large boar skulls headshot with my .223, and it's hard to tell anything, other than half of it is missing... The question is,how does a .224" FMJ bullet expand to a 6mm between exiting the bore and hitting the skull?
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Name me one other even half-ass secret the goobermint has managed to keep secret for half a century.
It's bullscheet. The UFO crash in Roswell........
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I have shot plate metal w/ .223 and the clean hole produced is larger than .223 diameter. May be so with a skull as well? I have large boar skulls headshot with my .223, and it's hard to tell anything, other than half of it is missing... So as you shot these hogs.. did any of the bone fragments or tissue come toward the muzzle? In all the years of prarie dog hunting I've done.. theres never been a front flip or even a forward roll.
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The Secret Service didn't have AR-15's on that day in Dallas. I don't even think the US Army had them at that point in time. The Secret Service of the Treasury Department and the current USSS are different from what I can tell, but this assertion is silly.
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The Secret Service didn't have AR-15's on that day in Dallas. I don't even think the US Army had them at that point in time. The Secret Service of the Treasury Department and the current USSS are different from what I can tell, but this assertion is silly. Yes, they did. In the car behind Kennedy. That's a fact. Take a gander at the photo above for one piece of provenance. Ken, supposedly, it was loaded with 40gr HP's.
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In the article Pete E posted,the writers say it was a 5.56mm FMJ. Which at that time was a 55 gr bullet. Yeah, I was pulling from a documentary on TV a short while back, on the History channel if I remember correctly. Lotsa speculation and no real evidence in either. Whoever did it, however they did it, they gotter done.
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Went back and read the part of the article that mentions the FMJ. The writers were reffering to the 6.5mm bullet. MY MISTAKE! From the article. The way the bullet produced as many as 40 tiny fragments inside Kennedy�s brain, and the reported 6mm diameter of the entry wound in the back of the skull, were inconsistent with 6.5 mm Carcano bullets, Donahue contended. His analysis did agree with Specter�s �single bullet theory� that such a full metal jacket projectile was capable of drilling through Kennedy�s upper back and throat, and Texas Gov. John Connelly�s back, rib and wrist before lodging in his thigh. But Donahue couldn�t comprehend such a bullet disintegrating inside a brain. Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/news/S...esident_Kennedy.html#lRCLclQ22WricAqz.99
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I was alive and cognizant at the time. The various conspiracy theories then and now were so convoluted, so complex, and so unconvincing that I have never varied from the principle of Ockham's Razor: the simplest explanation is probable true.
It was Oswald. Alone. Period. (Sound of crickets.)
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I gots gallon tubs of popcorn, only $5 a tub.
I am..........disturbed.
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I was alive and 10yrs old. Why is everybody cheering?
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The masons obviously did it.
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I don't think the AR15/M16 was in wide use in 1963, let alone by the Secret Service. I also think someone would have eventually spilled the beans about the ND, and found a 5.56 shell casing either in the chase vehicle, or the street. It's been established beyond doubt with photographic evidence from the day in question there was an Ar15/M16 in the chase car. Did it fire the fatal shot? That's an interesting question, but one was present.
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The -16 was designed and in limited service prior to '63.
I am..........disturbed.
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