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never claimed it became a rifle. I claimed, and it can be shown in animals, that it's a LOT more effective than what you've got in your pocket gun right now. :-) go ahead, be "comfortable" with loads that don't work worth a hoot. Cause they don't. You won't find enough chest hits (on people) with any given load,to give you a real reason to favor that load. You'd need at least 20 such hits, on video. Thats's the only proof of what happened (soon enough to stop an attack) People lie, have mispreceptions, etc. animal shoots are repeatable, as many times as you want. flesh and blood is flesh and blood. If the bullet doesn't expand and overpenetrates in critters, it will do even worse on men, due to the clothing issue.
examining a dead body doesn't tell you if the guy was stopped instantly, or fought on for 10 seconds before dying, after being shot, that is. all you know is he's dead. So what? he might have lived for days after being shot. the dead body doesn't tell you anything about how much shock and destruction the load achieved. Do you actually believe the bullscheit that spews from your own mouth, my god your azz must be jealous!
The government plans these shootings by targeting kids from kindergarten that the government thinks they can control with drugs until the appropriate time--DerbyDude
Whatever. Tell the oompa loompa's hey for me. [/quote]. LtPPowell
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care to TRY refuting any of it, instead of just talking out of your lover pocket?
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Show me some peer reviewed studies.
As far as your BS about conventional loads not working
me, and the FBI disagree with you.
We carried Glock 45's for the first 11 years I was on the Job, every gunfight we had was stopped very very quickly with 230 Grain Gold Dots, and 55 Grain Vmax fom an M-4
Post Mortens will Most certainly tell you how a bullet performed, via wound channel, and bullet traverse
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The government plans these shootings by targeting kids from kindergarten that the government thinks they can control with drugs until the appropriate time--DerbyDude
Whatever. Tell the oompa loompa's hey for me. [/quote]. LtPPowell
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I frequently carry a G29 loaded w Doubletap 135 Noz JHPs. They're rate at 767 ME from a G20, bet they're still WAY over 500 ME from my Snubby Glock.
Spare G20 mags full of DT 200 gr. WFNGC which are hitting 542 Me at 100 yards from G20.
But pretty sure it's where the holes are placed that matters most...
�When in doubt, I whip it out.� Uncle Ted
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All y'all confusing the kid's emotions'n such with such numbers. Carry on.
I am..........disturbed.
Concerning the difference between man and the jackass: some observers hold that there isn't any. But this wrongs the jackass. -Twain
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any 9mm luger gun can be rechambered to fire the 356 TSW rd. No, you don't want standard weight bullets. What you want is 45 grs at 2200 fps. with the hp bullet split nearly in half from the front. It's actually more shocking and destructive (on animal tests) than a 4" 357 with 125 gr jhp's. Yet it recoils like a 380. I practice with my cast lead 125 gr lrn's, at 800 fps. same recoil. Lots less blast and flash, tho.:-) Anyone quoting foot pounds of energy as a way to rate lethality hasn't a clue and that is a fact.
I got banned on another web site for a debate that happened on this site. That's a first
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Is this still the "Ask the gunwriters" forum?
If we live long enough, we all have regrets. But the ones that nag at us the most are the ones in which we know we had a choice.
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