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Travis when you say that's how your family handles the situation does that mean your entire family as a whole? Problem for us is there's never any unity.

We have a big family and whenever one of the kids or grand kids get into trouble my folks always act as RH pointed out. And if I or my siblings walk away it simply becomes more of a burden for my parents who will NEVER walk away nor judge and pass blame. It's a real struggle for us sometimes.

I know right you're at swag and it's one of my biggest struggles in life. Not sure what these kids are going to do when my folks pass on.

Over 100 fatal ODs this year where I used to live in Pa.

Same with the next county over.

I wonder why folks start; it's not like they don't know what is going to happen. Very irresponsible and calous toward their own families.

Yes.



Travis

I need to come live with y'all then.

Because they're selfish and don't give a fugg about other people.



Travis

Keep a close eye on your wallet.



Travis

Yep, and this isn't exclusive to a heroin addiction.. IMO it is the driving factor in most addictions

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most junkies will always be junkies, they get clean for awhile but always go back.

Enabling is a worse addiction that the drug.

As long as people keep propping up an addict they will never get help, I'd say telling them to stay the fugg away until they really want help, and then actually being there for them when they come back asking for help is the best way to deal.

It is obviously extremely hard for some parents or family members to let their child go, but that is how it has to be.

Enabling is a worse addiction that the drug.

Exactly!! But unless you've actually been in the situation it's hard to know what the parents will do. Except in the case of mine, which I've already spelled out. And drugs don't even have to be involved. They're just flat out enablers and it drive me nuts. I love them to death but man I literally have to bite my tongue sometimes.

And swag is spot on with the expense to the parents. The money doesn't matter until they run out. UGH!

Heaven forbid they stop taking the narcotic.




Travis

like you said, they are selfish

When it gets to the point where a person is faced with a decision of cutting loose a kid with a drug problem, that kid has probably already had a good look at where they're gonna end up. Doesn't matter if it's a boy or girl. There's a bunch of sick bastards out there that are willing to take advantage of either one.

I watched my grandmother enable 3 of my dads siblings, it is disgusting. She now has dementia and cant remember if she took a shower on any given day. One of the kids she enabled got her to put him on the checking accounts and stole around 260k from her over the period of 2 1/2 years, before my dad and his other siblings could get power of attorney and stop it.

That POS would be better off dead.

Travis is also right on cutting them off, its one of the few things that actually got through to my daughter, the fact she would get zero help from us

I have alcoholics on both side of my family for at least two generations. I will have a drink occasionally but I drink very little. Drugs are something I avoid if at all possible and I am talking prescription drugs. Illegal drugs are not even an option in my life.

Druggies are only going to get off it when they decide they want to get off of it.

Doesn't matter how much you enable them or point them the right direction.

Don't have any sympathy for them, not a lot for the folks who enable them. It's the kids that are involved that get all my sympathy.

There are recovering and recovered addicts on here who can better tell you the depths that your brother needs to get to before he will accept treatment.

Ed

I agree 100%. In this case he was offered a ride in one of the most successful treatment centers in the country. He walked out because some man in the shower exposed himself. BS, he walked out because he had no desire to get off heroin.