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Interesting thread...l read the whole thing. Thanks to those who took the time to explain the differences and like almost any subject on the CF opinions vary.
I liked Alan's approach finding value in each system depending on distances and circumstances, including the reticle compensation. I have done a hill of beans worth of turret twisting. The thoughts of a turret that will move by accident makes my blood run cold.
I am inclined to find the shortest distance between two dots since too much complication tends to distract in the heat o f shooting animals. I solved some elk killing problems years ago once l fiscovered that the bottom post of a 4x Leupold corresponded pretty exactly at 600 yards to the trajectory of 180 gr or 160 bullets driven 3100 fps from a 300 or 7mm magnum. Crude but effective since it helped me drop a few between 450-500 yards.
4-5 years ago l also figured out that a 162 Amax at app 3200 would follow the dots on a 6-36 leupold with LR reticle to 500 and the tip of the post landed the bullets about an inch above. 6" circle at 600. This may not be as sophisticated as the turrets and limits options somewhat but in 40 years l have been unable too find an animal l really anted further than that.
My own personal opinion (which l don't care to debate) is that no one but hardenef competitive riflemen have much business making wind calls over one MOA on unwounded BG animals at distances much past 400 yards. It's too tricky and unlikely to result in the solid chest hits we all seek. There is no shame in holding off for another day You're not far off. Having tried a bunch of different techniques with a bunch of non competitive, but trained hunters, using wind brackets and stopping at an "edge hold" has resulted in a pretty high hit rate. An edge being defined as the right or left edge of the vitals, which works out to about 1-2 MOA depending on animal. Reticle with mil or MOA hashes for wind holds stretch that out quite a bit.
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What if I invited you out here to chase outsize muley bucks under the following circumstances....
I'd put you on a 180" buck, but you had to kill it at 750+ yards, in a 20+mph wind. If you miss, or wound, you owe me $10,000. If you kill it dead, you owe me nothing, and I'm out the per gun fee for your hunt. What would you do?
I'd tell you how stupid your comment regarding turrets and reticles was. Travis And I'd watch you, being a wind doping expert, make a fool out of yourself. Can I get in on this?
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Long live the King......... ![[Linked Image]](http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p32/2muchgun/100_0078.jpg)
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What if I invited you out here to chase outsize muley bucks under the following circumstances....
I'd put you on a 180" buck, but you had to kill it at 750+ yards, in a 20+mph wind. If you miss, or wound, you owe me $10,000. If you kill it dead, you owe me nothing, and I'm out the per gun fee for your hunt. What would you do?
I'd tell you how stupid your comment regarding turrets and reticles was. Travis And I'd watch you, being a wind doping expert, make a fool out of yourself. Can I get in on this? If you're serious.
It is irrelevant what you think. What matters is the TRUTH.
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If you really wanna play wind games, try 22LR at 330.. ![[Linked Image]](http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx210/16bore/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps6efa8c66.jpg)
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This would be the Court Jester... ![[Linked Image]](http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx210/16bore/94d690fd-94a8-4614-a1c6-77e3534bd3dd_zps0db67c7e.jpg)
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If you really wanna play wind games, try 22LR at 330.. I have enough trouble with 7mm's. 
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That's about 900 yards of 7mag drift...
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I had an 85% hit rate for 60 targets at a SRM with constant 23mph winds, sideways snow, and high temperature of 23 degrees.
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Funny thing about people who don't know wind, you stand outside with them in a 10mph wind and they will swear it is blowing 30...
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RC has a rifle setup that makes a 750 yards shot in 20mph wind, about like a 308 at 400 or so. I wouldn't say that 400 yards with a 308 in those conditions is all that big a deal.....
just say'in.
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I had an 85% hit rate for 60 targets at a SRM with constant 23mph winds, sideways snow, and high temperature of 23 degrees. OK, so.......congrats? If you've got $10,000 to risk..........and if I put you on a 190"er and you miss or wound, you owe me $15,000. You will not have a bench, terrain likely won't allow prone. Possibly sitting with a bipod/sticks, or standing off sticks. You likely won't encounter "constant" wind here.
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sitting with a bi-pod or sticks at 800 yards..
It will be interesting to see what moronic comment you'll come up with next
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sitting with a bi-pod or sticks at 800 yards..
It will be interesting to see what moronic comment you'll come up with next It's the terrain, not me Einstein. I don't care if he's standing on his head.
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sitting with a bi-pod or sticks at 800 yards..
It will be interesting to see what moronic comment you'll come up with next No Schitt!
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Standing in back of my pickup, through a Kowa 884 (vignetting cropped out), at app 1000 yds. [img:left] ![[Linked Image]](http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t32/JGrimes_2007/LB4-1.jpg) [/img]
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Just for clarification:
What happens if the buck appears at 500yds? Does RC have to back up to shoot?
If the wind is only 18mph, does he have to walk at a 2+mph pace while taking the shot?
Just curious...
David
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Schitt Burns could make that shot off hand............ 
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You have to make a 750 yard shot in 20mph+ wind and hit a beer can first. I've already seen Travis do it.
Tanner Hitting the beer can with your mouth doesn't count. ;-)
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There's probably something funnier than JG's thoughts on wind. Probably.
Travis
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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