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I have both a 358 Winchester and a 375-350 Rem Mag - essentially the same stuff as the 376 Steyr. Both kill moose (or caribou) just fine. Neither, however, has the same juice as the 375 H&H�and the Ruger is a jacked variation of what the H&H does.
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Really? In what category? I run a shorter action in the Steyr, thus shorter bolt throw and stiffer action. Also I'm burning 62 grains of powder...efficiency. Less recoil... So maybe speed is higher but I wouldn't say it wins all category.
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Really? In what category? I run a shorter action in the Steyr, thus shorter bolt throw and stiffer action. Also I'm burning 62 grains of powder...efficiency. Less recoil... So maybe speed is higher but I wouldn't say it wins all category. ...........You seemed to have overlooked one word in my above post or overlooked my meaning of the word,,,,,"ballistically".......... Meaning for the most part, what occurs "beyond" the muzzle. Not talking about a shorter actioned Steyr. Not talking about powder efficiency. And not talking about any reduced recoil. In terms of power, the 375 Ruger tops the 376 Steyr and the 35 Whelen.
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I wonder, would the .338-06 be a more viable round choice as opposed to the 35 Whelen? Terminal balistics, etc...... The two are so close that there's almost no difference. Both are good rounds. On paper the 338-06 has a slight advantage at long range, but on meat I still prefer the bigger bore.
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This rifle is my poor mans replacement for the various model 71's in 348 and lever action 358's that I have had to sell off since becoming a Kidney Failure patient.
You really ought to consider putting your illness and all things associated with it in your signature line - it'd save you a lot of keystrokes in nearly every post. As well, in the off-chance there is a single person here that has not yet been made aware of your situation or perhaps we have a new member, you're covered should you somehow fail to mention it.
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I wonder, would the .338-06 be a more viable round choice as opposed to the 35 Whelen? Terminal balistics, etc...... The two are so close that there's almost no difference. Both are good rounds. On paper the 338-06 has a slight advantage at long range, but on meat I still prefer the bigger bore. Agree. The only advantage of the .338-06 is the availability of higher BC bullets. The .35 Whelen shoots heavier larger diameter bullets.
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My Whelen out penetrates my .338-06 AI. The .338 is faster and flatter, though. The differences are not huge. I would take the .338-06 over the Whelen but that is just personal preference. It would be hard to make a case proving the superiority of either over the other.
A 210 Partition at 2850 fps sure does give me the warm fuzzies, though.
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I have both a 358 Winchester and a 375-350 Rem Mag - essentially the same stuff as the 376 Steyr. Both kill moose (or caribou) just fine. Neither, however, has the same juice as the 375 H&H�and the Ruger is a jacked variation of what the H&H does. I agree. I have .350 RM, .350 WSM, .375 Steyr, and while they certainly not lacking, the .375 Magnums are a step up in horsepower.
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With that dia bullet speed is not as important. Never hear nothing but raves from 35 cal shooters. Did a 35/375 ruger for a guy one time.. Even the 35 rem gets it done within its limits. I want to build a 375 hawk someday on a model 70. Have the action and reamer...just need some time..
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I can't see how a flatter trajectory beyond 200_250 meters is in any way an advantage.precisely at what point does one round become superior to any other round firing the same weight and caliber projectile. the note 1thing superior to another more than one factor must be weighed. even a game of 10 percentin velocitywould only equate do it advantage in trajectorysmaller than the actual group size at maximum point blank range. I fail to understand how that can be in any way superior to a shorter,lower recoiling, more efficient calibre when all is said and done the impact velocity difference would cause a negligible increase in damage to any animal.
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Fairly meaningless discussion. I have had elk drop in there tracks with .308,44 mg,7 mag,50 cal ML, 30-30,30-06 and a few I can't remember. Distances were anywhere from 50 ft to 400 yards. AND I have had elk run 30-100 yards hit with the same cartridges .I have a half a baby food jar of 220 gr and 180 gr 30 cal. bullets( all C&C ) dug out of dead elk.
All these totaling in the 4 dozen dead elk realm. It is not what you hit them with, but where you hit them.
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The growing chant that rifling twist rate is an important factor in killing power is starting to get silly.
Dunno how the old 45-70 ever killed anything with a 1-20 twist!
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The growing chant that rifling twist rate is an important factor in killing power is starting to get silly.
Dunno how the old 45-70 ever killed anything with a 1-20 twist! the .45-70 was the standard rifle cartridge for the U.S. Army. that same job is now filled with a much faster twisted 5.56mm. coincidence?
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I don't see your point toad.
The 5.56 needs a faster twist to stabilise its longish (compared to the 45-70, for calibre) bullets enough to shoot them accurately. They didn't go with a faster rifling rate for any other reason.
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