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Too much coffee...

This is definitely a gun issue.

When a Ruger 338 win mag sittng in skeleton stock out shoots a 6mm set up for accuracy, you know something is wrong in this world.

Ship it back!!

Dog, how many rounds have been through this rig?

Small lead-sled or bench movement right/left.

seating depth. it's telling you it's damn close but not quite. try seating out just a bit more.

Do you have a bore scope. I would love to know when you fine out.

was the flyer always the same shot? Like 1st shot 2" off the next four grouped together?

Flier varied.

Swapped scope, and retorqued everything. Shot this, not great but alittle better: (still not getting the 1/2 MOA though, black dot is 3/4")

Shoot the Tikka to confirm it's not you.....

Push the bullet back into the case a few thou at a time. It will snug up. Bergers are made on 3 different dies. Check the length (base to ogive) and seat accordingly. What bag set up are you using?

Start 10 percent low powder and kissing or fitting mag box which ever works. Work up the powder until the vertical is out. Move the bullet away from the lands 3 tho at a time until the horizontal is out. Quarter minute gun or 2 Minute gun groups should be uniform. If I shot that last group and new I was solid. I would bump a 1/10th or 2 more powder and seat 3thou deeper. Patience and listen to what the gun is telling you. Your close, stay at it, that sucker wants to shoot.

Had one with the same problem where the gunsmith said the barrel was neutral bedded the whole length. Went through load after load and it shot horizontal double groups. The rifle about made me crazy getting it to group. I prefer a rifle that will shoot almost anything well and load changes are for refining accuracy rather than finding accuracy.

Free floating didn't help. I bedded the tip and finally cut the barrel back two inches and recrowned. All problems went away.

Scope!!!!

I would get away from the pointy bullets and try some BTs just to see...I think it is a seating depth issue...but you got to know the gun will shoot....it is guaranteed so you can send it back....

Clean barrel..?

Clean barrel..?

Dont want to hijack the thread, anybody mind if I throw up a pic for your guys diagnosis on a rifle giving me fits?

I'd try a few more bullets just to check things out. I've had rifles shoot terribly with some styles while really liking other styles.

No objections so here goes.......

.223 AI PN #2 contour on a 700 action in a McM Classic bedded by me (which I'm thinking is the issue as I've looked at everything else).

The three groups were shot last night at 200 yards, load is-

Formed Lapua case
CCI BR-4
27.0 RL-15
Sierra 65 SBT kissing the lands

I get the same two in one out with 75 AMAX as well.

Scope has been swapped, screws are tight, good trigger, bench technique is solid, went so far as to shoot it with the mag assembly removed to check for binding, 45 inch pounds on the action screws, front sight base screw not bottoming out. I'm at a loss on this one........

I've tried Hornady 105 BTHP, the 105 Scenar, the 105 Berger Hybrid, and the 95 Ballistic tip. Three primers, three scopes...All give me lackluster results.