Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Savage Collectors Early model EG question

s.n.3772xx, 1937, 22", .303

Looks like the Lyman tang sight and Redhead butt pad were added somewhere along the line.
My question is, what type of sights fit the D&T? And is it possibly factory/salesman sample?
Front appears to be 9/16" center to center and rear 7/8".
Briefly talked with Grogel at Savage Fest but have forgotten what he said.

Most salesman samples had the scroll engraveing on the recivers I think. Iv seen one d&t like this but cant rember what mount, I just checked ,y "T" it uses one of the early rare redfield mounts, also looked at the 3 mounts im selling they are not for it! mad Dog would know and Rory! also Lightfoot!

Rick, the Spiegel Specials were D&T'd for a Belden Mull scope mount in that or a similar configuration. I don't have a photo of the holes for a Spiegel. Maybe Loggah will shed some light on this. David

That appears to be the same hole spacing as the Spiegel guns. I also don't recall seeing one drilled without the scrolling.

Are "salesman samples" and "Spiegel guns" one in the same?

Basically the spiegel special and what we had been calling the salesman samples are same rifle. he holes are for a Belding and Mull scope mount,and they did drill some rifles in that serial number range without the engraving. I have 1 or 2 in that range with the holes and no engraving.

Interesting. Thanks Don.

Would these "samples";
- go to other retailers besides Spiegel?
- have mounts & scope installed?

No idea,I know that the question was asked to Roe Clark what these rifles were and he said he "THOUGHT" they were salesman samples. We have since Found out they were made for Spiegels .

I have seen several, "Spiegal Specials" without the roll stamping. All were EG's.

Would the factory ledgers comment on checking, D&T, sling swivels, purchaser, etc. for these specials???

Meanwhile, I did find some previous threads where "Spiegel" guns were discussed here.

I found the old thread on the B&M mount where it was noted that the mount sold for more than the price of the rifle. That might be why we've never seen one?

Despite not being roll stamped, were not the saleman samples wood checkered?

Were not the front hole drilled under the front sight?

Was wrong once before, but I think the butt pad and the holes in the metal are the work of the same man.

Bubba.

Some of the rifles that had these four extra tap holes (presumably for the B&M mount) were first model EG's (without checkering). They were likely not, "Salesman's samples" nor were they Speigel specials. Nonetheless I think it is safe to say the extra holes were Savage.

Would not argue that point to hard or too long.

The fact that I have not seen one before tonight means nothing, as I am still a student in this game...

Good to have you back Steve. (Boltman).

Stick around...

I think i also ran across an earlier Spiegel catalog picture showing an uncheckered and unengraved EG... I'll see if I can't find it again when I get home. I know I've shown a couple EG's with that d&t to Rick, maybe he saved serial numbers to compare to engraved Spiegels?

Found it. On the gunboards.com website, Gary probably posted it here also but I don't remember. 1938 Spiegel catalog, not checkered and not engraved. BUT.. the scope shown in the picture is mounted on a base ahead of the rear sight.

So.. dunno.

http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?220217-Speigel-Gun-question

Rory,I have a different ad ,maybe i can get Cheryl to take a picture of it,David did when he was here.

I'd like to see a picture of the scope mount in the holes behind the rear sight dovetail. Maybe I've already seen it... but if so, I'd like to see it again

And here's another question: who has or has seen a rifle with tap holes forward of the rear sight as in the ad Rory shows? Or better yet, anyone seen the whole set-up as the ad shows?