Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire What exactly is disproportionate about Israel's response?

Sooo...Bristoe, if you ever become entangled in a shootout protecting your own, are you going to trade the bad guy shot for shot?

"Darn it - I missed. Your turn to shoot, sir. I'd hate to be disproportionate or anything."

My thoughts on Hezbollah: If and when they meet ALL Israeli demands, it might be overkill if Israel continues to bomb the crap out of them...after a week or so.

i say we make that grease spot in lebanon and light the grease on fire....wait thats called Hell and thats coming for those not waiting for the cloud rider.

God says turn the other cheek. not lay down and die or give the world up to non believers(yet)

Bristo, while you are good with a quote, and you can finesse a phrase, your head is usually up your butt. Nothing sadder than a smart guy with a really stupid world view.

Sophistry has been used to describe B. here in the past.

Followed by: �If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.�

And: �Think of the press as a great keyboard on which the government can play.�

Finally: �Intellectual activity is a danger to the building of character�
�Faith moves mountains, but only knowledge moves them to the right place�

This is the quote by Goebbels which your post brings to mind, Steve.

�The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly - it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over.�
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Hmmm, very intresting, let me take a crack at it..

Tax cut for the ritch, tax cut for the rich, tax cut for the rich.

Starving our children, starving our children, starving our children.

Yes, I'm think I'm getting the Goebbels thing down.

No wmd's, no wmd's, no wmd's

Haliburton, Haliburton, Haliburton.

50 million abortions in America now. Are YOU tjm10025 personally responsible?

I think he's got it. By George, he's got it.

Bush lied, people died. Bush lied, people died. Bush lied, people died.


It's easy, everybody join in !!

.....No need for me to express my view ,it's already been said,and well said!

"Disproportionate force" sounds just like "excessive force" here in the good old US of A. The way I look at it, if Leroy enters my abode at 2AM with a .38 Special in his hand and I put two .45 in his boiler room, too bad! He wasn't invited in... If you start it, you better damn well be able to finish it. Land for peace does not work, period! What I don't understand is why doesn't every Jew in the US vote Republican? If it wasn't for use, they would be in deep camel doo-doo... Good luck to our Jewish Bros...

Now the Lebanese Govt. is saying if Israel comes in to take out the Hezbollah ( which the Lebanese Govt. was supposed to disarm them years ago, according to the UN plan for Israel to leave Lebanon ) their military will fight along side Hezbollah. Just where are the Lebanese Govt. and the (terorrists) Hezbollah any different? If Lebanon's military fights along side Hebollah's militia you have not even begun to see diproportionate!!!

Israel is making war against the civillian population of Lebanon and using the presense of hezbollah to justify it.

Israel spits in the faces of the nations which ly in proximity to it,... then, when those nations slap at them, Israel goes in with overwhelming force and creates a bloodbath, while screaming "they started it!"

The world is waking up to their aggression.

Wow... always nice to hear opinions from the twilight zone.

Bristo
"Israel is making war against the civillian population of Lebanon and using the presense of hezbollah to justify it.

Israel spits in the faces of the nations which ly in proximity to it,... then, when those nations slap at them, Israel goes in with overwhelming force and creates a bloodbath, while screaming "they started it!"

The world is waking up to their aggression. "



As usual Bristo has it ass backwards. Israel is forced to bring war to Lebanon Civilians because Hezbollah insists that the civilians live in their armed camps. The brave freedom fighters hide behind women and children. The UN and the government of Lebanon though mandated to stop this, have done nothing. Even you should be able to see the truth here fellow, 'ceptin you just ignore it in order to push your anti American agenda.

I realize that that's the "news" that we get on the situation here in the states.

By the way,.. America isn't Israel. Being critical of Israel isn't anti American,... if fact, it's quite the opposite.

The fact that this needs to be pointed out is very revealing.

As perhaps you might guess, I wouldn't make a particularly good Zionist; but in this situation I am not inclined to judge Israel. Whenever Israel has taken a mind to kick some Muslim butt, she has always kicked it right up between their ears. Israel is like a big ugly scary dog, and it's an important life lesson to learn that A) you don't go around twisting the tails of big ugly scary dogs and then dancing away, and B) it's not a good idea to let people near you do that, or hang around them if they insist on it. Hezbollah has made its move by launching all those Katyushas over the years. Lebanon has made its move by allowing Hezbollah to use its territory. Now it's Israel's turn, and Israel seems to be making good use of it. Whining doesn't wash; when your turn is over, it's over.

Soon enough, Hezbollah's and Lebanon's turns will come back around; until then I'm content to sit back and watch Israel.

Lebanon has a very significant Christian population and the bombs don't discriminate.

The Lebanese government is also pro American.

I never thought I'd see a good anti government Libertarian such as yourself endorsing the killing of civillian populations by a government,.. but I suppose the Israeli government is an exception to you,..eh?

Bristoe,
Do you post this stuff just to stir things up or do you really believe what you write?
Either way,you alienate yourself from most of us here at the CampFire...
You know that Hezbullah started this by kidnapping solders and they wanted a response from the UN,just like you gave here...
You should probably think before you type next time...
Bart

I've been thinking about the situation in the Middle East,... and studying it more closely than most for a long, long time.

That's why my perspective is a bit different than those who form their opinion from 30 second soundbites on FOX News.

Wheelwright, Kentucky, was an Inland Steel Company coal-mining town when we lived there, 1940�1945 � a pretty rough place, all around. Among the boys my age � all pretty good kids � fist fights were a favorite sport. No gloves, no dedicated venue, just what you had on the ends of your arms and wherever you happened to be.

Almost no rules, either. "Fist" is misleading � just about anything that you could do was kosher to beat the other kid � except that you weren't supposed to get mad or to take the fight seriously. All in the name of entertainment.

For them, not for me. I never enjoyed any of it � I was always the smaller and weaker of the two and lost most of such encounters. They weren't fun for me, and I didn't feel the least obliged or inclined to make 'em fun for the other kids.

I fought as hard as I could, seriously, for just two reasons � (a) the bigger kids wouldn't let me not fight, and (b) I wanted each fight to be my last. Period. Paragraph. Let's do something else. Together, preferably � peacefully.

That's why Israel's current situation seems to me to be deja vu gone international � totally apart from who's who over there and who's for whom here. Nit-picking obviously biased, preformed political views has no great relevance for me.

Just get it over with, Israel! Do whatever you have to do.