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Thats like hating Heidi Klum because she's someplace between a "C" and a "D" cup..... Plus one for that analogy, Ingwe
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You are very astute for a member so new! Might be new member - lurked for years 
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Thats like hating Heidi Klum because she's someplace between a "C" and a "D" cup..... That's not the reason I hate her...
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It's more akin to purchasing size 13 shoes for your size 10 feet.
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Where is Ingwe when we need him?  He's keeping a close eye on this one. It's all part of jwp's initiation...  No love for the 7x57?? Where have you bean man? It is the consummate, ultimate cartridge. Always has been, always will be. Karamojo and Jim Corbett are rolling over in their graves at 4500 RPM right now.. No cartridge has ever felt so much love! I like the 7x57 buddy... It's almost as good as the 270 win..
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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That was uncalled for....
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It's more akin to purchasing size 13 shoes for your size 10 feet. ![[Linked Image]](http://i560.photobucket.com/albums/ss45/thmsbrownlee/24HRC/frenchmoving_zps30b21a6e.gif)
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That was uncalled for.... So was the picture of you loving on your dog. How's the dog doing?
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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That was uncalled for.... So was the picture of you loving on your dog. How's the dog doing? ![[Linked Image]](http://i560.photobucket.com/albums/ss45/thmsbrownlee/24HRC/Ifartmobile_zps9ffab4b5.gif)
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American soldiers first encountered the 7x57 during the Spanish-American war over the territories of Cuba, Puerto Rico, the Philippines and Guam during the year 1898. America had only just adopted the Krag-Jorgenson .30-40 caliber rifle after extensive tests, yet the fast handling and accurate M93 7x57 Mauser immediately made the 30-40 obsolete. U.S soldiers suffered heavy casualties as a direct result of the superior infantry weapons system employed by the Spanish. The U.S immediately sought to replace the Krag following the 1898 war. By utilizing its own Ordnance department the U.S military created the Mauser style Springfield rifle and flat shooting .30-06 cartridge, adopted in .1906.  The 7x57 cartridge is neither more potent or less powerful than the 7mm08 and although the 7x57 can sometimes achieve higher velocities with 162-175 grain bullets, in the grand scheme of cartridge design, both the 7x57 and 7mm08 are very mild in comparison to the .280 and 7mm Magnums. The 7x57 is a cartridge for hand loaders and can be adapted to a wide range of hunting situations and game weights. Recoil is mild in suitably fitted rifles and with the right projectile, this cartridge is a clean, humane killer of medium game. The ability to utilize soft 160-162 grain high BC bullets gives the 7x57 a significant advantage over the 6.5mm bore, performance which cannot be measured within ballistics programs or this knowledge base and must be seen to be fully appreciated.
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American soldiers first encountered the 7x57 during the Spanish-American war over the territories of Cuba, Puerto Rico, the Philippines and Guam during the year 1898.
America had only just adopted the Krag-Jorgenson .30-40 caliber rifle after extensive tests, yet the fast handling and accurate M93 7x57 Mauser immediately made the 30-40 obsolete.
U.S soldiers suffered heavy casualties as a direct result of the superior infantry weapons system employed by the Spanish.
The U.S immediately sought to replace the Krag following the 1898 war.
By utilizing its own Ordnance department the U.S military created the Mauser style Springfield rifle and flat shooting .30-06 cartridge, adopted in 1901.
The 7x57 cartridge is neither more potent or less powerful than the 7mm08 and although the 7x57 can sometimes achieve higher velocities with 162-175 grain bullets, in the grand scheme of cartridge design, both the 7x57 and 7mm08 are very mild in comparison to the .280 and 7mm Magnums.
The 7x57 is a cartridge for hand loaders and can be adapted to a wide range of hunting situations and game weights.
Recoil is mild in suitably fitted rifles and with the right projectile, this cartridge is a clean, humane killer of medium game.
The ability to utilize soft 160-162 grain high BC bullets gives the 7x57 a significant advantage over the 6.5mm bore, performance which cannot be measured within ballistics programs or this knowledge base and must be seen to be fully appreciated.
YEAH! What he said!
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America had only just adopted the Krag-Jorgenson .30-40 caliber rifle after extensive tests, yet the fast handling and accurate M93 7x57 Mauser immediately made the 30-40 obsolete.
For Steelhead.....
"...the left considers you vermin, and they'll kill you given the chance..." Bristoe
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American soldiers first encountered the 7x57 during the Spanish-American war over the territories of Cuba, Puerto Rico, the Philippines and Guam during the year 1898.
America had only just adopted the Krag-Jorgenson .30-40 caliber rifle after extensive tests, yet the fast handling and accurate M93 7x57 Mauser immediately made the 30-40 obsolete.
U.S soldiers suffered heavy casualties as a direct result of the superior infantry weapons system employed by the Spanish.
The U.S immediately sought to replace the Krag following the 1898 war.
By utilizing its own Ordnance department the U.S military created the Mauser style Springfield rifle and flat shooting .30-06 cartridge, adopted in 1901.
The 7x57 cartridge is neither more potent or less powerful than the 7mm08 and although the 7x57 can sometimes achieve higher velocities with 162-175 grain bullets, in the grand scheme of cartridge design, both the 7x57 and 7mm08 are very mild in comparison to the .280 and 7mm Magnums.
The 7x57 is a cartridge for hand loaders and can be adapted to a wide range of hunting situations and game weights.
Recoil is mild in suitably fitted rifles and with the right projectile, this cartridge is a clean, humane killer of medium game.
The ability to utilize soft 160-162 grain high BC bullets gives the 7x57 a significant advantage over the 6.5mm bore, performance which cannot be measured within ballistics programs or this knowledge base and must be seen to be fully appreciated.
you were doing great right until that last sentence... don't underestimate a good 6.5 bore cartridge either...
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I have a Ruger 77 7x57 in my possession that is my fathers ,but due to oncoming dementia has retired from hunting. I have only fired one shell out of it at game and it produced a seasons worth of elk meat. I like it.
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American soldiers first encountered the 7x57 during the Spanish-American war over the territories of Cuba, Puerto Rico, the Philippines and Guam during the year 1898.
America had only just adopted the Krag-Jorgenson .30-40 caliber rifle after extensive tests, yet the fast handling and accurate M93 7x57 Mauser immediately made the 30-40 obsolete.
U.S soldiers suffered heavy casualties as a direct result of the superior infantry weapons system employed by the Spanish.
The U.S immediately sought to replace the Krag following the 1898 war.
By utilizing its own Ordnance department the U.S military created the Mauser style Springfield rifle and flat shooting .30-06 cartridge, adopted in 1901.
The 7x57 cartridge is neither more potent or less powerful than the 7mm08 and although the 7x57 can sometimes achieve higher velocities with 162-175 grain bullets, in the grand scheme of cartridge design, both the 7x57 and 7mm08 are very mild in comparison to the .280 and 7mm Magnums.
The 7x57 is a cartridge for hand loaders and can be adapted to a wide range of hunting situations and game weights.
Recoil is mild in suitably fitted rifles and with the right projectile, this cartridge is a clean, humane killer of medium game.
The ability to utilize soft 160-162 grain high BC bullets gives the 7x57 a significant advantage over the 6.5mm bore, performance which cannot be measured within ballistics programs or this knowledge base and must be seen to be fully appreciated.
you were doing great right until that last sentence... don't underestimate a good 6.5 bore cartridge either... Gotta agree with that. The 6.5x55 is another excellent cartridge that works.
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Maybe they could re-introduce the 7X57 round and call it the wildcat 7mm. Roberts, and promote it as a cartridge which works well on everything from antelopes to elephants.
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American soldiers first encountered the 7x57 during the Spanish-American war over the territories of Cuba, Puerto Rico, the Philippines and Guam during the year 1898.
America had only just adopted the Krag-Jorgenson .30-40 caliber rifle after extensive tests, yet the fast handling and accurate M93 7x57 Mauser immediately made the 30-40 obsolete.
U.S soldiers suffered heavy casualties as a direct result of the superior infantry weapons system employed by the Spanish.
The U.S immediately sought to replace the Krag following the 1898 war.
By utilizing its own Ordnance department the U.S military created the Mauser style Springfield rifle and flat shooting .30-06 cartridge, adopted in 1901.
The 7x57 cartridge is neither more potent or less powerful than the 7mm08 and although the 7x57 can sometimes achieve higher velocities with 162-175 grain bullets, in the grand scheme of cartridge design, both the 7x57 and 7mm08 are very mild in comparison to the .280 and 7mm Magnums.
The 7x57 is a cartridge for hand loaders and can be adapted to a wide range of hunting situations and game weights.
Recoil is mild in suitably fitted rifles and with the right projectile, this cartridge is a clean, humane killer of medium game.
The ability to utilize soft 160-162 grain high BC bullets gives the 7x57 a significant advantage over the 6.5mm bore, performance which cannot be measured within ballistics programs or this knowledge base and must be seen to be fully appreciated.
you were doing great right until that last sentence... don't underestimate a good 6.5 bore cartridge either... Thanks so much for the history lesson and, uh... Ahh, [bleep]...
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American soldiers first encountered the 7x57 during the Spanish-American war over the territories of Cuba, Puerto Rico, the Philippines and Guam during the year 1898.
America had only just adopted the Krag-Jorgenson .30-40 caliber rifle after extensive tests, yet the fast handling and accurate M93 7x57 Mauser immediately made the 30-40 obsolete.
U.S soldiers suffered heavy casualties as a direct result of the superior infantry weapons system employed by the Spanish.
The U.S immediately sought to replace the Krag following the 1898 war.
By utilizing its own Ordnance department the U.S military created the Mauser style Springfield rifle and flat shooting .30-06 cartridge, adopted in 1901.
The 7x57 cartridge is neither more potent or less powerful than the 7mm08 and although the 7x57 can sometimes achieve higher velocities with 162-175 grain bullets, in the grand scheme of cartridge design, both the 7x57 and 7mm08 are very mild in comparison to the .280 and 7mm Magnums.
The 7x57 is a cartridge for hand loaders and can be adapted to a wide range of hunting situations and game weights.
Recoil is mild in suitably fitted rifles and with the right projectile, this cartridge is a clean, humane killer of medium game.
The ability to utilize soft 160-162 grain high BC bullets gives the 7x57 a significant advantage over the 6.5mm bore, performance which cannot be measured within ballistics programs or this knowledge base and must be seen to be fully appreciated.
The 30-40 Krag cartridge was almost equal to the 7mm Mauser. But the Krag rifle could not compete with the Mauser rifle in rate of fire. Because the Mauser could be rapidly reloaded by stripper clips
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Sheesh...asking why theres no love for the 7x57 is like asking why theres so much gay love for the .270... Well....no love is pretty close when it comes to the general hunting public. I've been 'deer' hunting since 1972 (42 + yrs.). I've hunted N & S Ark extensively, Mississippi, Louisiana, and Alabama. In all these yrs. and in 4 States, I've NOT encountered ONE (1) hunter carrying one. I read ALL of this thread before posting this and there are several appropriate answers. Funny how the 270 W is overwhelmingly more popular than the 7 'mouser'. Don't get me wrong, I don't hate or even dislike the 7x57. I really like the 6 mm Rem (6x57) and own a 6.5x55. I think it boils down to, ..too many cartridges (chamberings- GAG) to choose from that are readily available and AMMO for them.
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The 7 Mauser is a fine shooter. So's the 08....
But when all is said and done, my seven is going to be a Mauser, custom chambered, but built on a Mauser, with set triggers and a butterknife bolt.
I'll skip the splinter stock and skinny barrel, but a Mauser cartridge deserves a Mauser action.
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